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A question regarding invalid clicks

         

ebizcamp

1:51 am on Mar 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Hi,

When I discussed AdSense in another forum this afternoon, I just realized that, how can we (publisher) avoid others to generate fraud clicks for us?

For example, if a kid or your competetior clicks AdWords in your webpages repeatly, Google will treat this as fraud and Google will think it is you that generate the fraud click, although you are innocent actually.

ebizcamp

2:00 am on Mar 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

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This afternoon, one person in another forum said he noticed both his AdSense click and revenue increase several times than the average (since from last December) last week. And what's more, the CTR is really high.

He is very pleased about this change. But I feel a little worried for him. He is running a fun and entertainment website.

jomaxx

2:12 am on Mar 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Google do not make their fraud-detection algorithms and procedures public. In the case that they find suspicious activity, we have to rely on them to make the right diagnosis and take the correct action.

europeforvisitors

2:23 am on Mar 24, 2004 (gmt 0)



This has been discussed at length in other threads. In a nutshell:

1) Yes, Google may determine that an account has invalid clicks, but that doesn't necessarily mean the publisher will be blamed for them. (A number of us have received e-mails about invalid clicks on our sites' ads and are still with the network.)

2) It's reasonable to assume that Google looks at a number of factors when determining whether a publisher with invalid clicks should be removed from the network. Such factors might include the statistical probability of repeated invalid clicks (due to the topc or the nature of the audience, for example) and whether the site's revenues are high enough to cover the administrative overhead needed to investigate and make adjustments for invalid clicks.

Also, don't forget that AdWords ads on SERPs can attract invalid clicks by kids, curiosity-seekers, advertisers' competitors, etc. Invalid clicks have been around for as long as the PPC advertising model has existed. They aren't unique to AdSense.

keeper

2:36 am on Mar 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

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we have to rely on them to make the right diagnosis and take the correct action

This is the part I dont like. The algorithms are kept secret and therefore cannot be independantly audited.

As time goes by, this will continue to crop up on the agenda again and again.

europeforvisitors

3:17 am on Mar 24, 2004 (gmt 0)



This is the part I dont like. The algorithms are kept secret and therefore cannot be independantly audited.

Of course the algorithms are kept secret. That's like a bank keeping its scurity precautions secret. Why make life easier for crooks?

zorafex

3:36 am on Mar 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

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It's not hard for google to fix this type of problem. Here is what they do: If ip: 10.0.0.1 clicks my ad, then google will log the click and pay me for that click. If 10.0.0.1 clicks another ad, within say 4 hour period then google doesn't pay me for that ad. If 10.0.0.1 clicks my ad more than 3 or 4 times within a few minutes, google bans that ip and adds a cookie to the computer of that person so nobody gets any money from that person.

keeper

3:46 am on Mar 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I'm not saying hand the algo over to crooks, but having their processes independantly audited by a professional services firm would be nice.

Independent auditing is a fairly common business practice as I understand it.

<added>This would certainly effect my decision of whom to place thousands of advertising dollars with. Its not everything - but its something</added>

Chicken Juggler

3:59 am on Mar 24, 2004 (gmt 0)



One thing I have thought is that if you ever check your adsense from a computer and then click on an ad ever from that computer then they might ban you. I never click on anybodies adsense. I click on ads by google and copy the URL into the address bar just to be safe. I don't tell anybody my URL that I know. You have to find my site on Google or from a link on another site.

danny

7:46 am on Mar 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

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If ip: 10.0.0.1 clicks my ad, then google will log the click and pay me for that click.

I don't know about that. Clicks coming from 10.0.0.1 are probably from employees of the web hosting company, which would be ok, but some people may host their own sites... I would expect Google to just ignore any clicks coming from private network addresses.

valeyard

9:49 am on Mar 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Also, don't forget that AdWords ads on SERPs can attract invalid clicks by kids, curiosity-seekers, advertisers' competitors, etc. Invalid clicks have been around for as long as the PPC advertising model has existed. They aren't unique to AdSense.

I wouldn't call the first two examples "invalid", just revenue-free!

Any well-designed PPC campaign must take into account a percentage of clicks that are perfectly fair and valid but useless. It's one of the things that makes PPC budgeting difficult for the newcomer to judge accurately.

richmondsteve

2:19 pm on Mar 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

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danny, I assume zorafex was using that IP as a widget-foo generic IP, not as a specific example.