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Obliged to consolidate accounts

Email from the AdSense team

         

WebWalla

8:23 am on Mar 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I have 2 separate accounts with AdSense ... the second account was explicity authorised by Google and is used on a website I share with a partner.

Payments are made to my company and I then pay my partner. Obviously the second account was created to keep accounting separate from the revenue from my first account.

Google has now emailed me saying that due to the new channels all accounts have to be consolidated into one. Their argument is that channels will allow us to keep track on the different revenue streams.

However, I don't want to give my partner access to the stats from my first account. I've written to Google about this, obviously, but I wonder if the people here have any ideas about how to solve this ... yes, channels give me the possibility to identify the revenue from this website, but how can I give my partner access to the stats, without him seeing my own revenue data?

DoppyNL

8:32 am on Mar 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Don't give him the password, so he can't check the info on the site himself.

Then regularly, or when requested, send him a .csv file with his stats.
Adsense now supports creating .csv files of your stats. Should be fairly simple.

Another solution might be to put one account on your company's name and the other on your personal name....

WebWalla

8:56 am on Mar 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Not giving him access to the stats is of course a possibility, although it's hardly professional .. Google should surely allow for these things.

I don't see why I should have to change the name or any other details, since I have a quite legitimate reason for wanting 2 accounts, and Google must agree since they approved the second account in the first place.

Also, since Google already knows the 2 accounts belong to me, I doubt a simple name change would make much difference. I'll wait to see how they reply to my email.

killroy

2:54 pm on Mar 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

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This does not make sense at all for me. What if I want t osell off the one operation, or if th eowner wants too. The new owners will get full access to all my past stats?

SN

seaboy

2:59 pm on Mar 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

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What if I want to sell off the one operation, or if the owner wants too.

I think on the last change of T&Cs they specifically prohibited selling your Adsense account as part of the website. If you sell the site, the new owner would have to apply for his/her own account.

loanuniverse

3:06 pm on Mar 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

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If Google does not budge, the only avenues that I can think off are:

1- Do not give access to the account to your partner and do as was suggested here. {provide him csv reports}

2- Give him access.

3- Ask him to open an account under his name and you become his partner with access.

Kind of a complicated situation you got there.

Fiver

4:04 pm on Mar 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Is there any way to have a script written that automatically downloads the csv file, specifically for your shared campaign, and emails it along to your partner?

I'm not familiar with flexibility in csv reports.

zhenghua

5:16 pm on Mar 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Is there any way to have a script written that automatically downloads the csv file, specifically for your shared campaign, and emails it along to your partner?
I'm not familiar with flexibility in csv reports.

Great idea! I think while combining with channel features, WebWalla can Activate the Sharing Website as a Channel-One.

Then the URL is something like

https://www.google.com/adsense/reports-aggregate?
timeperiod=simple&timeperiod.simpletimeperiod=
last7days&reportType=channel&channels=
#google_ad_channel_Channel-One#
&groupByPref=date&null=Display+Report&csv=true
&s=#s#
, if use "Adsense Downloadable Report Auto Retriever", (see [webmasterworld.com...] ).

1. WebWalla won't tell the password to the other partner, since he/she can receive the Report from
email or fax, ect. maybe hourly, daily, monthly.

2. The negative part is only a 24-48 hours-leg according to Google's introduction of channel features.

3. WebWalla can run this script on his/her own webserver or personal computer(s).

Zhenghua

killroy

5:50 pm on Mar 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Ok, not sell, how about train another employee to run it?

The other company already owns it...

So take this:

Company A - Account A
Company B - Account B

I run both accounts. I want to stop running it for cCompany A, they get another guy to do it. I stop beeing accociated with Company A. No accounts get sold, since both companyies always had their own accounts. What's t justification to ask two independent companies to share financial and traffic information?

SN

tombola

5:55 pm on Mar 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Payments are made to my company and I then pay my partner.

So, did you give your partner access to your Adsense account before the channels were released?

If that's the case, nothing changes. If you did not give him access to your account, why should you do it now?...

WebWalla

8:34 pm on Mar 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

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So, did you give your partner access to your Adsense account before the channels were released?

I don't think you understand the situation (or perhaps I didn't explain it very well). Only I have access to the stats for my first account. We BOTH have access to the stats for the second account (for the shared website).

Google now wants me to consolidate both accounts into one with channels which, unless I implement some sort of CSV download solution as suggested above, means that to maintain the status quo in terms of us both having access to the online stats, I would have to give him access to the stats from my other websites which are solely owned by myself.

jonknee

9:13 pm on Mar 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Kind of a complicated situation you got there.

Not really. Partners in business are the rule, not the exception. It's quite strange that there aren't multiple log-ins, akin to what Amazon Associates. Even if it's just the CFO/CEO/Sales staff that need access, they shouldn't share.

What happens if the sales staffer decides that the money this month from AdSense is worth more than his job? He can change the account info and have the cash sent to him.

Plus, it's just tacky.

loanuniverse

9:20 pm on Mar 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I meant complicated from the sense that if Google does not budge, he might be forced to do something he does not want to do. {As in letting his partner see how much revenue he is making or having his partner have to rely on his word instead of access to data}

rravenn

8:11 am on Mar 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I meant complicated from the sense that if Google does not budge, he might be forced to do something he does not want to do. {As in letting his partner see how much revenue he is making or having his partner have to rely on his word instead of access to data}

I agree with this. Also if he has to show the partner his account, is he then not in violation of the TOS.

Jesse_Smith

3:25 pm on Mar 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

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:::I don't want to give my partner access to the stats from my first account.

If you can't trust your parner, you need to get a new one.

Jenstar

3:38 pm on Mar 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Has anyone gotten permission to keep separate accounts since this email went out? What reasoning was used for it to be allowed?

WebWalla

4:20 pm on Mar 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

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:::I don't want to give my partner access to the stats from my first account.
If you can't trust your parner, you need to get a new one.

Jesse ... I'm not sure if you fully understand the situation. Of course I trust my partner, but why would I give him access to my own stats that have nothing at all whatsoever to do with him or my business relationship with him?

I am still waiting for Google to reply to my email.

buckworks

5:30 pm on Mar 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

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If you can't trust your parner, you need to get a new one.

The issue here is not trust, it's privacy.

it is utterly inappropriate for a third party such as Google to be forcing complicated workarounds so partners can maintain confidentiality regarding matters that do not relate to the partnership.

CPCretirement

8:01 pm on Mar 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

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The other issue you can run into with Google not allowing two seperate accounts is tax reporting.

I have this issue. I own a few sites by myself and have a partner in a few others. They are all under one Adsense account. Google will not let me split them into two accounts.

At the end of the year Google sends out my tax statement with the combined revenues to one company. They are not all revenues from the one company. They need to be split for tax reporting. I can't seem to get Google to understand this problem. Maybe they need to discuss it with the IRS!

WebWalla

8:17 pm on Mar 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Well, Google has replied and they're still insisting that the accounts are consolidated. WebmasterWorld's TOS doesn't allow me to reproduce their reply in its entirety here, but basically their solution to the problem is for me to download the CSV reports and pass them to my partner.

Sharper

10:09 pm on Mar 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

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CPCretirement, since Google paid the money to one company, they are obligated to identify that company on the 1099 they send.

What happens to the money after that is your business and no concern of theirs. What you need to do is have the company that got the money and the 1099 from Google issue a 1099 to your partners for the amounts they got from you, then claim those amounts as business expenses for your company, reducing your company's net income.

Or in short, if you have a complicated arrangement, you should probably have a tax professional work with you on making sure all the paperwork is done right.

killroy

2:16 am on Mar 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I'd also be interested to know if everybody got that email, or only people tha Google "knows" have multiple accounts?

Many things have changed since the two accounts were established... I'm hardly anymore involved with one of the companies, and was hoping to pass on the adSense duties to one of the other employees... How does account consolidation fit into that? Basically they are askign two companies who soon might not even have a single employee, or legal responsibility in common, to somehow BOTH have access to critical banking and income information of each other...

SN

loanuniverse

2:33 am on Mar 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I think you can get around this by having a different account holder in each account.

As soon as it is not John Doe on each account, the argument turns in your favor.

CPCretirement

12:56 pm on Mar 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Sharper - I have a professional who handles it from the 1099 perspective. I will still have to keep track of the how much each site is earning now and get that info to the accountant. It's just one more thing added to my already overloaded plate.

I find it annoying that I have to pay for extra accounting time, and spend my own time, to handle an issue that Google could make much easier for me to deal with. If they would allow me to have two accounts then they would be sending the money to two companies and sending each a 1099. I could deposit each check into the appropriate account. No need to keep track of each site's revenue and send it to the accountant. Problem solved.

Don't get me wrong - I'm happy to have the incremental income stream. I just would like to see them come up with a better solution for publishers in this position. I'm sure it's not rare.