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I have been off at PubCon and then SES, so I am back in the thick of things now ;) Internet access was flaky at best, and non-existent after 500 webmasters all tried connecting to the Clarion's WiFi designed for about 10 webmasters.
I will also add that "What are your AdSense stats" was definitely the most-asked question I received during the entire conference, lol.
silversurfer, you miss the point. It's not about what someone can and can't do with the information. It's
about a little agreement you made.
wonderboy, you may have started it in jest and some posters have posted humourous replies but some
are taking it seriously and - as with the numerous other how-much-are-you-making threads - people are
disclosing actual figures. >> I would take a trip to my local dollar store, and buy about two items
this thread is a not so subtle attempt to skirt the AdSense rules
It wouldn't surprise me if Jenstar kills it
>What would you buy with yesterday's earnings?A WebmasterWorld subscription for the fellows in need who ask such questions.
Why does everyone (Google especially) seem to consider the Google TOS considered "law"?
A TOS is just that. Break it if you like, and risk Google choosing not to do business with you. A calculated risk, but certainly not illegal or even arguably unethical. Last I looked CA is the only state trying to put a value on breaking a TOS... am I more ignorant than I know?
Without innovators we wouldn't make any progress. Did Google treat every other companies TOS-equivalent as law when it built Google? I doubt it. Remember Google spidering without regards to Robots.txt? Remember Google indexing SSL areas? Remember Google caching no-cache areas? Ever hear of the hardball take-no-prisoners IP banning tactics employed by Google today, with whole subnets blocked because of the errors of a single user?
A TOS is meant to contain the masses.... the innovators will find away around it as necesary for innovation.
I am surprised there isn't a subscription forum out there where posters openly debate Adsense/Adwords stats and earnings - in full violation of the Google TOS perhaps, but certainly not illegal. Sounds like a good place to put Overture ads for SEO/webmaster stuff ....
A TOS is just that. Break it if you like, and risk Google choosing not to do business with you. A calculated risk, but certainly not...unethical.
It certainly is unethical. Each of us made a promised and commitment to abide by the TOS as a condition of participation in the AdSense program. To intentionally break the TOS with malice of forethought is a reflection on ones ethics.
Remember Google spidering without regards to Robots.txt? Remember Google indexing SSL areas? Remember Google caching no-cache areas?
I don't see how this is relevant. I entered into an agreement with Google. None of the above violates the agreement I entered into with them. Even if any actions of theirs violates agreements they've entered into elsewhere that does not provide me with carte blanche to break my agreement with them.
Nobody said it's law, and arguing that it's not law distracts from the main argument i.e. that it is unethical and that's it's not a matter of breaking the TOS at your risk but a matter of not entering into or at least terminating an agreement if you are unable to keep your end of the deal. Webmasters who believe that it's ethical to break the TOS provided they don't get caught will be the same webmasters who scream blue murder if Google says they're only going to pay out 50% of what the stats showed last month.
Without innovators we wouldn't make any progress
Macro me ol' China, this is you from this thread in mssge #8...
What is amazing is the number of different ways people try to break the spirit of the agreement they signed up to.
>> what would you buy that you really want that leaves little changei.e. give me an idea of what your earnings are. <sigh>
and this is you from this thread [webmasterworld.com]
My earnings used to be stable too. It's not a five figure sum per month but definitely a healthy four figure dollar amount and for the last few days it's dropped by about 50%
There's really not a lot of difference there from my way of thinking.
Let people have their fun, but by all means be kind enough to point them to the TOS if they appear ignorant of them. And having said that, I wish I had similar figures as you (but before the 50% drop :)
2odd...
I'll use some of my Adsense earnings to buy your wife a presentis not any kind of disclosure.
Maybe what the turn should be is what you can comment on without giving any idea of how much you are making.... like one earlier example of buying widgets :-)
2oddsox has linked to some information about what I was getting in October last year. I won't comment on whether my income recovered to original levels, went higher, or went lower. But since that suggests a largish figure, I'll venture this:
With my yesterday's earnings I'm going to buy Bill Gates. And with the change I'll persuade Google to not go for an IPO, I'll make them a private bid offer they can't refuse ;-)
With my yesterday's earnings I'm going to buy Bill Gates. And with the change I'll persuade Google to not go for an IPO, I'll make them a private bid offer they can't refuse ;-)
Mate, if you start buying presents for my wife, you can forget about Bill Gates - you won't have two pennies left to rub together ;)
But please, don't let that put you off... ;)
2odd...