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Is adding adsense an optimization for google technique?

Would you get punished if you switched to a competitor?

   
4:27 pm on Feb 8, 2004 (gmt 0)



I'd like to hear from a Google rep if possible on this.

It would make sense, from their p.o.v. to jack up the ranking of people with adsense on their site.

Also, could a mod edit my topic title to say
"Is adding adsense an optimization for google technique?"

4:31 pm on Feb 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

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From the Adsense FAQs:

Participating in Google AdSense does not affect your site's rank in Google search results. Google AdSense will not affect the search results we deliver. Google believes strongly in freedom of expression and therefore offers broad access to content across the web. Our search results are unbiased by our relationships with paying advertisers and publishers. We will continue to show search results according to our PageRank technology.
4:42 pm on Feb 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

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It may not affect the ranking, but it might affect spidering.

Google may officially deny it, but I had a site appear in the main index when the only Google spider to visit was from Adsense.

I checked the logs by hand - nothing from full Googlebot at all. The only spidering was the normal adsense spidering after every human visit to a page.

Does that mean it happens for everybody, probably not. Is it worth using as a SEO technique, again probably not. Googlebot picks sites up quick enough anyway these days.

But it did happen, so I guess its worth knowing.

4:43 pm on Feb 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

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The adsense bots are independant of the spidering bots for the search engine. Should have any effect on you at all.
4:51 pm on Feb 8, 2004 (gmt 0)



I wonder if Inktomi will punish you if you have AdSense on your website when it goes live on Yahoo ..

Oh the war of the search engines!

5:02 pm on Feb 8, 2004 (gmt 0)



I wonder if Inktomi will punish you if you have AdSense on your website when it goes live on Yahoo ..

Unlikely, if they want to stay in the search business.

9:33 pm on Feb 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

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The adsense bots are independant of the spidering bots for the search engine. Should have any effect on you at all.

Thats the official line, but it it ain't always so - as I detailed in my previous post.

9:37 pm on Feb 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

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4eyes: Did you confirm that those pages are actually in the index by doing a site:xyz term or -term?
10:53 pm on Feb 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

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4eyes: Did you confirm that those pages are actually in the index by doing a site:xyz term or -term?

Why would I need to do that?

11:21 pm on Feb 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Well you said:
Google may officially deny it, but I had a site appear in the main index when the only Google spider to visit was from Adsense.

Having the site appear might mean that just the homepage is in Google, which could be acomplished by a single visit of the Googlebot. Something that can be missed by a scan of the logs.

I checked the logs by hand - nothing from full Googlebot at all. The only spidering was the normal adsense spidering after every human visit to a page.

Now for all the pages to be in the Google Serps would require visits of the bot to each one of the pages, which would be hard to miss on a manual scan.

Doing a site:yoursite.com -term or term would give you the number of pages in the Google index.

11:57 pm on Feb 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Thanks for the egg sucking guide but I am not a newbie.

The site was in the index because I saw it in the index. That is normally good enough for me, I rarely argue with my own eyes.

Many pages in fact, but only the ones that the Mediapartners bot had visited. There were no other bots visiting, and at the time no incoming links. I received search engine traffic for the phrases targeted by the individual pages.

The Mediapartners bot came as a result of my own visits to the site whilst checking it. Site was brand new - less than a week old.

On new sites I read the logs daily until I see they are spidered and receiving traffic. I would only use your suggested technique to find out HOW MANY pages I have in the index.

If you are doing all the other things correctly, its really not that important though.

11:59 pm on Feb 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Now for all the pages...

I never said "all the pages", and it is impossible to miss a Googlebot visit, even to my 27k page site.

I open the log file and search for it.

12:14 am on Feb 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I wonder if Inktomi will punish you if you have AdSense on your website when it goes live on Yahoo ..

I had a number 1 result in the SERPs on MSN. Added AdSense code and it disappeared shortly after the next Inktomi visit. It could have been a coincidence or the AdSense code could have diluted the relevancy of the page just enough for other pages to take my place in the SERPs.
But I don't believe they would ever specifically target pages with AdSense ads.
12:36 am on Feb 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

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4eyes: I never said you were a newbie... I was just trying to make myself clear. I never said do this... then do that. If what you say is correct then yes the mediapartners bot is indexing pages. I also think that if this pattern is recognized by other webmasters, we will be soon be inundated by posts from a lot of people confirming it.

On the other hand, they might keep it a secret and use it as a way to get into google fast.

12:55 am on Feb 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

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On the other hand, they might keep it a secret and use it as a way to get into google fast.

You see, that was exactly the kind of response I was trying to ensure didn't happen.

If you have some incoming links, you will be spidered soon enough anyway, if you haven't then adding the adsense won't help you much.

And as for having the pattern confirmed or not, its irrelevant. I still have the log files, I can see it with my own eyes.

The only reason my observation is relevant is because it illustrates that the previous comments in this thread are not 'hard and fast' rules.

Frankly, I wish I hadn't bothered now.

1:04 am on Feb 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Well, I guess I am not good at keeping secrets :lol: But really, anyone could have figured it out by reading your posts.
1:50 am on Feb 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Its not revealing the 'secret' that is the problem, its drawing the conclusion that this is going to help a site get into Google quicker.

Even if this was any more than a one-off experiment by Google, the point is that even sites without adsense can often get into Google within a week these days.

 

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