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7:02 pm on Feb 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I was just curious to know how other webmasters felt about maintaining the integrity of Google's adsense program and if they feel obligated to report websites that are in violation of TOS if they see it happening?
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No obligation. I don't care what other people are doing.

I wonder what Miss Manners would think about this?

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Here is a thread from last summer [webmasterworld.com] on the same thing. The thoughts on this were definitely varied, even from a publisher's point of view. On one hand, it is helping protect the integrity of the program. But on the other hand, it is reporting a fellow publisher and webmaster, someone who could easily be a helpful contributing member here, and many people think it is akin to a spam report.

I think if AdSense made it easy to report a publisher who was violating the terms/policies/faq the number of violation reports AdSense would increase dramatically. But there isn't an AdSense spam report set up in the same way there is for the natural serps or even for the actual Adwords themselves.

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I really haven't noticed any TOS violations, except for one very blatant case that involved large-scale copyright infringement. (And yes, I did report that violation.)
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Last week I came across a website that was doubleserving ads.

I emailed the contact address and said something like "Just a friendly heads up, this violates the TOS and if someone reports you, you could get booted from the program."

He replied the next day with a kind thank you, and when I revisited the site, he'd removed one of the ads.

10:18 pm on Feb 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Only site i reported was running a warez/crack/serial number site.

I couldn't let that one slip by as i advertise on adwords as well and i would be REALLY upset if that is how someone found out about my products.

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About 1/2 of my site's pages show Adsense ads, the other 1/2 shows advertising I have lined up on my own. A person could visit my site and quite possibly not happen to visit any of my Adsense pages.

Someone wrote me asking if I would be interested in runing Adsense ads for them (evidently they didin't know I already participated in Adsense). They said they were an "independent reseller of Adsense ads" and were offering to pay in advance for my available advertising space.

I was insulted. Someone eager to take advantange of my site, without even really evaluating it first. They didn't seem to be especially knowledgable about my topic. Clearly they had just been to Adwords, found which topics had more expensive key words, and then went to those types of sites offering their "reselling deal".

I eagerly forwarded the email to Adsense. They confirmed that there was no such thing as a Adsense reseller. I can only hope that they yanked this person's Adsense account.

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ByronM Said: Only site i reported was running a warez/crack/serial number site.

i wonder what was you doing in warez site or maybe you think its ok to download from these sites but its not ok for these sites to host ads i am no saint but i wouldnt grass anyone up because i find most of the webmaster who pretend they are such good boys often visits these sites for thier needs.

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Unless I stumbled on a site that had racial or hurtful materials, then I would probably report it, other than that, I think Google does a pretty good job at keeping track of which sites are using AS.
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Sajjid, he said he made/sold software, so probally checking up if there were new cracks for it, so he can release a new patch. Just a guess, but I think thats how it works.
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yobo,

Well, that depends since NOT every site is tied to the same TOS. Google might have already lossened some rules on a few publishers.

If few were approved to put AdSense on search result and some were allowed to put two ads, do you report them as well?

I guess we should let the Google police their own program, not us.

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I agree that we should be very careful about reporting people for violations, unless it's something particularly dreadful.

I've got ads on internal search results pages on my website, because I wrote and got permission. (Though Adsense seems to find it very difficult to find ads for these pages.)

I hope people aren't going to report me...

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Sajjid:

Woah nelly take a chill pill. Search for anything on google and you will find "warez".. I just so happened to be looking at log file analyzers and when you search for "webtrends 8.1 linux" you find warez sites and one of those had adwords running on it.

Geez.

I'll report any site that is using adwords to profit off illegal activities or major violations of the TOS.

If its someone running double ads or doing something slight, then a friendly email to the webmaster is due.

However blatent violations and illegal activities no matter HOW they are found shouldn't be sponsored or supported by adsense/adwords.

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Haven't noticed any sites worth narcing on but if I land on some page with adsense that just has two affiliate links on it to amazon or something I click the frownie face on my google toolbar, lol. I'm sure it does nothing but hey when you're feeling peevish, you do silly things ;)
12:53 pm on Feb 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

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i do not judge book by its cover all am saying is if google want our help then they will ask untill then i will not report anyone also i am sure google knows when site is violating TOS i never was teacher pet nor will i ever be.
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I'll report any site that is using adwords to profit off illegal activities or major violations of the TOS.

I think you meant AdSense. Let us know if the same site continues to carry the ads after you have complained. I got a plagiarist's page taken out of the SERP but I did not get a cent for the ads clicked on that page. I even sent in an admission from the guy in question "explaining" why he had copied it.

If you follow chillingeffects.org, you will see warez sites taken out of the SERPs upon a complaint from the copyright owner. I doubt that your complaint will achieve the same result and the publisher will probably get to keep his earnings.

You could compare this to a rogue bill-poster who sticks your posters in embarrassing places. You get your customers, even if they had seen your poster in a brothel; the bill-poster gets paid; the fact that the brothel is illegal is neither here nor there.

2:16 pm on Feb 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

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There are authorities that are installed to secure integrity and protect values.

Offline it's the cops, the corporations with their governance and rules and regulations with their follow-through processes, your door lock or fence, etc.

As well online as off - someone who establishes value installs secuity measures along the way to some extend.

First and foremost I would trust those measures to dynamically grow along with the threat and just work the way they are supposed to.

But would I stay put when someone really messes something up and chances are they get away with it, harming others and/or their efforts?

This is where solidarity kicks in and I would suggest this to be a judgement call. I would not watch someone destroying other fellow webmaster's values (cuz this is what would happen if integrity of AS suffers) and keep my mouth shut, no sir.

I am not a referee in this whole game but I am a social citizen. Someone takes advantage over someone else, be happy when they're caught.

Someone really destryoing other's dignity or what not: jump into their brain or report.

Again, a very clear: depends.

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Has nothing to do with being a teachers pet. Google is relying on people to give it input, and they have channels to do so.

Just like if i see someone breaking into someone elses car, or someone stealing stuff from the office - I'm not going to site by and let it go.

People who use adsense outside of the scope of its TOS are adversely affecting people using it legally.

If there is one thing worth fighting for, it is the fight to keep Adsense a quality network.

I don't go around policing it, that isn't my responsibility - However if i see blatent abuse or illegal activities you bet your farm i'm reporting it because i play on both sides.

I certainly hope google adwords doesn't fall the way of the bills posted on abandoned buildings because i don't consider my hard work to be a brothel or abandoned website just looking for abuse - nor do i consider my hard paid advertising dollars to be treated as such.

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Geeze this topic has stirred up a lot of different opinions. I personally believe that webmasters need to stick together and if they see a violation do the webmaster in question a favor and give him the benefit of the doubt and let him/her know they are potentially in violation of the TOS and they should fix it less risk being kicked out of ADsense all together...not becuase you are going to nark on them but because Google has the means of finding out and will simply shut you off.

Its not only an opportunity to help the webmaster and Google, but also an opportunity to form a business relationship with that webmaster by establishing immediate trust. Afterall, the web is one big partnership of links and the more you have the better position you are in. Case and point...look at Google. How many links and web pages do they have in their database? Billions! That's why they are number one. And that's how Yahoo got started too with their directory. It all about creating exposure for your fellow internet partners. The better you are at it the more successful you will become.

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ByronM Said:
I don't go around policing it, that isn't my responsibility - However if i see blatent abuse or illegal activities you bet your farm i'm reporting it because i play on both sides.

i dont think we have farms in London but any way i rest my case no point saying same thing over and over again as the saying goes
Dont argue with the fool because he will bring you down to his level and beat you with his experience.

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This as been hit around so much it's silly, some people will report and other won't....There is no wrong or right in this it just other peoples personal believes.

sajjid :
and being rude to other members is against the TOS and plain rude.

fyi There a 17 city farms in london

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I get very annoyed when I see webmasters BLATANTLY violating the TOS. Quality will determine whether or not AdSense succeeds in the long term. Simply ignoring sites that you know darn well are violating the TOS will only ensure that your own revenues will end up dropping as advertisers opt-out of content targeting due to low conversion rates.

These crap sites are robbing advertisers of their money. If you saw a bank robbery in progress wouldn't you call the cops?

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This as been hit around so much it's silly, some people will report and other won't....There is no wrong or right in this it just other peoples personal believes.

Amen!
Maybe Brett could start a forum for Webmasters with philosophical questions ;-)

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I wouldnt tell on someone, if they can beat the system then all power to them. Just because they have done something i was either too scared, too stupid or too fair minded to do there is no need to hate.
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I wouldnt tell on someone, if they can beat the system then all power to them.

That's what might be called the "Enron Philosophy," and it's ultimately destructive to everyone. In the case of AdSense, it's destructive because "beating the system" makes content ads less attractive to advertisers--and that, in turn, leads to lower publisher revenues.