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Little Devil Maintenance, Have You Gone DOWN?

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WolfLover

3:24 am on Jun 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I don't know about everyone else, but after the maintenance today, I am currently at about 50% of what is normal for a Saturday.

Anyone else suffering from Little Devil?

ember

10:13 pm on Jun 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Down by 30% so far today.

psychdoc

10:26 pm on Jun 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

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My numbers on two sites are really bad also ( especially over the last two days). They have also fallen off over the last two months or so even though I have built many new pages over the first six months of this year.

Scurramunga

11:07 pm on Jun 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

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As if yesterday was bad enough, today is the worst I've seen since last month. However, I am not sure why.

youfoundjake

11:32 pm on Jun 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Instead of tracking clicks day by day, I'm playing old Amiga games with emulation dating back to my childhood this weekend. Find something to relax people. :)

That's right.. keep playing yur emulation Amiga...ah good just found the start up disk for my Amiga 1000... I think I'll play me some psygnosis games now...yes.. on my working Amiga.... :)

Trisha

1:44 am on Jun 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

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They said they were still keeping track of impressions, etc. yesterday during the down time, but I'm still showing lower impressions, clicks and earnings from yesterday compared to normal. It's not due to some sort of algo tweak that started yesterday either - today my impressions are where I'd expect them to be, although the clicks are still lagging a bit but that seems to be normal anymore.

Visi

1:46 am on Jun 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Been running along nicely this month until the dreaded maintainance hit. Page ecpm down 50%. Hoping its just a west coast sunny day thing and not permanent.

OptiRex

2:12 pm on Jun 26, 2006 (gmt 0)



Yikes!

Apart from 13th May, Rodeo, and the first week of January, Sunday has been my worst day of the year with -30.37% of the year's average!

The EPC, CTR and eCPM were all fine, just a simple lack of traffic which I hope was all down to the World Cup since, at 15.00 UK time today, one core site has already surpassed yesterday's metrics and the other not so far behind.

Did anyone else see such figures?

Scurramunga

11:18 pm on Jun 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Did anyone else see such figures?

Looking at my own stats for this day I see a similar pattern.

Chapman

3:23 am on Jun 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Sorry... I'm finally seeing a little relief!

A section of my site that had an almost complete disappearance of clicks, after what OptiRex termed the "Rodeo" maintenance, has suddenly seen it's previous CTR return.

Nothing was touched and nothing else seems to have changed... just a sudden return of clicks after the recent maintenance named "Little Devil".

Just an aberration? Whatever it is... I'm quite happy!

greedy player

3:34 pm on Jun 29, 2006 (gmt 0)



it's all gone to hell :(

Green_Grass

4:21 pm on Jun 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Things are now starting to improve. Almost back to normal. Now I am afraid of another 'maintainace ' hitting...

maxgoldie

6:18 pm on Jun 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Is anyone seeing a drop in eCPM with no drop in traffic?

imstillatwork

8:49 pm on Jun 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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all weeks been slow, but whatever, it comes and goes. some weeks are amazing, most average, some suck. big deal I say. it's just money, food, rent whatever. more important things to worry about than paying bills, ya know? :)

OptiRex

9:03 pm on Jun 29, 2006 (gmt 0)



Is anyone seeing a drop in eCPM with no drop in traffic?

Until May 12th I had a quarterly USD 4.00 spread with my ECPM and had done since the 05.05.05 update, however since 13th May (Rodeo maintenance) I now have an USD 8.00 spread.

Quite what all this means I have no idea other than maybe AdWorders are getting more clever at using the system to their best advantage.

Scurramunga

11:57 pm on Jun 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Traffic is woeful at this point in time. Ecpm is a little flat, but ok.

Hobbs

9:18 am on Jun 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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after what OptiRex termed the "Rodeo" maintenance

actually that was me, but I would gladly give it to dear old OptiRex.

OptiRex

1:08 pm on Jun 30, 2006 (gmt 0)



but I would gladly give it to dear old OptiRex.

Pardon? :-)

...and less of the old, maturing well would be much more appropriate:-)

Hobbs

1:22 pm on Jun 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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:-)
aging well like good wine, maturing is what I'd hate to be called so I won't use.

Chapman

2:57 pm on Jun 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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actually that was me

Sorry Hobbs... for some reason my "maturing" mind recalled the originator incorrectly.

Hobbs

3:39 pm on Jun 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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not at all Chapman, water under the bridge for old folks like you guys ;-)

Just cleared my 200 blocked MFA's filter list in the hopes of shaking things up a bit, but if history is any indicator I will be regretting it soon with low epc & ctr & ecpm.

GoldenHammer

4:14 pm on Jun 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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-50% in earning since June 19.

martinibuster

4:28 pm on Jun 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I don't think the maintenance had anything to do with how well you're doing. I think it's nonesense.

Google updated AdWords, and because AdSense is connected, they have to take down AdSense in order to update AdWords. That's it, and that's all there is to it. To ascribe more to it is hyper speculation.

Oviously some people are doing well, others are not. Gee, same as at any other time. Nothing new. Certainly, there is absolutely nothing going on across the board.

I will not deny that there are many real things affecting traffic, among them severe weather in New England, sports, and a Google update. Take your pick.

I won't deny that others have a fluctuation with EPC, but that's all normal, too. Happens all the time.

[edited by: martinibuster at 4:33 pm (utc) on June 30, 2006]

GoldenHammer

4:32 pm on Jun 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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[....I don't think the maintenance had anything to do with how well you're doing. I think it's nonesense.
Google updated AdWords, and because AdSense is connected, they have to take it down in order to update AdWords. ]

I am not interested in what Google has done behind, but the fact and sense I have now is -50% in earning after "the maintenance"..... :P

martinibuster

4:37 pm on Jun 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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50% of what? A dollar? Twenty dollars? That is not a significant amount, it's only a variance of fifty cents or ten dollars. Well within the normal ranges of every day flux.

50% of a small amount is within the realms of normal.

If you have a drop of a hundred dollars, then that begins to be significant- unless you normally make $500/day or more. Then that may be within the normal. Dropping 50% of $500 is something to look into, to be sure.

Hobbs

5:30 pm on Jun 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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MB:
I think it's nonesense

martinibuster,
A little harsh there, but you are right about the fluctuations being a normal an expected thing.

As for the maintenance, it is very healthy to mark those, and refer back to them in case something significant changes, many perhaps even most won't affect earnings, but like the Search Engine algo changes are monitored and named, we might as well do the same, with even less data, its a shot in the dark.

I think this last maintenance (Little Devil) involved also the addition of the referral channel monitoring.

Anyway people have always came here looking for common patterns of ups and downs and changes, odds are many share the same wave ride pattern, could mean a lot or little, but it has always been one of the reasons people come to forum89. That's why I think "nonsense" was a little harsh.

martinibuster

5:53 pm on Jun 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Sorry if it sounds harsh, but it's the truth. People are seriously ascribing their declining ecpm's to a maintenance update. It's important to dispel that for the nonesense that it truly is.

Message 39:

Sorry... I'm finally seeing a little relief!

#40

it's all gone to hell

#41

Things are now starting to improve.

#42

Is anyone seeing a drop in eCPM with no drop in traffic?

All of the above think they are reporting on a particular phenomenom. It's a false phenomenom. There is no phenomenom. Sorry if the truth sounds harsh, but it's fairly obvious that it's the truth.

I 100% agree that it's a valuable aspect of WebmasterWorld that we note and report on different phenomena, and I don't ever discourage it.

However this thread has reached the point where someone has to turn the lights on and see that the boogie men were only shadows.

[edited by: martinibuster at 5:56 pm (utc) on June 30, 2006]

OptiRex

5:55 pm on Jun 30, 2006 (gmt 0)



Google updated AdWords, and because AdSense is connected, they have to take down AdSense in order to update AdWords. That's it, and that's all there is to it. To ascribe more to it is hyper speculation.

The "fact" that they did "something" lends even more credence when posters report sudden and dramatic differences in their earnings whether up or down therefore it cannot be dismissed as mere "nonsense".

Why? Surely akin to Newton's physic's law on propulsion applies here because every action has an equal and opposite reaction therefore something will go forward and at the same time something else will go backwards.

Hobbs

6:19 pm on Jun 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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MB,
Here is what I wrote today in another thread about the same topic.

Just be careful blaming the fluctuations we are all used to on updates, it has been like this for years and there are more explanations than I can count

That said, how are you so sure about changes not being due to one maintenance or another, and how some other sites other that yours could be affected, I for one run a high earning site with high traffic and sometimes observe fluctuations same as what you could call small earners, we are all floating in a sea of vagueness blindfolded and interpreting the sounds we hear, aren't we all in the same boat?

yummybanas

8:52 pm on Jun 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Perhaps you've been smartpriced?

GoldenHammer

9:54 pm on Jun 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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[ Perhaps you've been smartpriced? ]

That seems the case, the decline of averaged EPC.

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