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i hit the 200 3 weeks ago, and guess what, decreased earnings ever since.
why? becuase i offer black widgets, and there are many others that offer blue!
of course black and blue widgets are like chalk & cheese, totally different products
i am now doomed
adsense help provided no assistance except, "we dont offer specific keyword etc etc" in the ads
whilst adsense has given me some good income for a while, it now is that case that 75% of ads now showing offer a totally different product that what im offering
funny thing is, there is NOTHING that i or google can do to provide targeted ads for my site now
i suppose i can spend the time daily scouring through my pages, looking for blue widget ads, adding them to the filter and check every URL on my filter list daily to remove those URL's that no longer exist
what a pain in the cracker, should it be this hard being an adsense publisher?
there you go, my first rant
cheers
mike
If google wants to keep its revenue up it's going to need to let us cull crap more agressively.
A lot of advertisers (myself included) loath the content network advertising because we -know- that the bulk of the impressions are just going to MFA's and quite a lot of clicks are probably either (a) accidents or (b) bots. I'd much rather know that when my adverts are being shown they're -relevant-.
... at least, that's the way I feel about it.
My worst experience with irrelevant ads was when my son developed a large cyst recently. In Googling for information on this I saw nothing but "We have found the top 3 sites for cysts", and unbelievably "new and used cysts at rock bottom prices" on Ebay. I should have added adsense to the Hosts file and not seen them as they annoyed me by even being there! I can see why people legitimately use ad blockers.
I have actually seen ebay adverts which are encouraging users to commit online fraud... not what you want to be associated with and a lawsuit waiting to happen for ebay.
It seems google should take proactive steps to combat click-fraud by actually making it when your 200 listings is reached it is archived and filed to google to check if the sites listed in the 200 you blocked are legitimate sites that adhere to adsense policies.
(Basically maybe even have a special list introduced where you can report 50 MFA / adsense violators at one time for google to analyse - it would make the credentials of the adsense and adwords programmes a lot better and subsequently attract more confidence from advertisers who will be more willing to pay the prices as google are shown to be proactive in reducing clickfraud instead of guessing it may be clickfraud as in many cases I have read about).
They may get ignored by google because those sites are also adwords customers and google are duped into thinking it is better to have someone paying adwords than somone complaining about ads on their website that is provided by google.
"We have found the top 3 sites for cysts", and unbelievably "new and used cysts at rock bottom prices" on Ebay.
Yeah, I really wish AdSense would ban the auto-generated crap ads. I've got a screenshot of Ebay ads for new & used insect larvae on my site.
Anyone need a used caterpillar?
I have been blocking for ages, and always keep a text file with the list of the sites that I block.
When I reach 200, I used to remove all, flush the list, start over from scratch.
One time I took my MFA history list file and did an alphabetical sort to fish out entries repeated many times (depends on how long you have been blocking)
All you need to do is now pickup and block those persistent (hard block) listings permanently, turned out to be 100 in my case, the others just come and go (soft block), so I have room for a 100 listings, every once in a while I do the sort again and add a few to the hard block list and flush the soft block and start over..
There are a couple of threads I've posted that provide alternative strategies. The first is on Poison Words [webmasterworld.com] (there may be a particular colour of widget that is attracting your MFAs). The second is in the library, on taking an EPC-based strategy [webmasterworld.com].
The former strategy has helped keep my site pretty free of junk ads, and the latter has made my site earnings higher and more consistently so.
I'm curious because I'm going to start filtering out MFAs tomorrow ... I just don't know which URLs/keywords are MFAs =)
"We have found the top 3 sites for cysts", and unbelievably "new and used cysts at rock bottom prices" on Ebay.
I've got a screenshot of Ebay ads for new & used insect larvae on my site.
Do I sense a "Dumbest AdSense Ads Ever" website in the making? Might drive the point home to the folks at G that their system is a mess.
Then again, I'm sure it's hard to read the screens over at the 'plex ... what, with all the piles of cash laying around the office ... getting in the way.
i think at the end of the day an analogy like this is how i feel.....
i operate a unique BMW car sales yard (many repeat clients)they will only buy BMW's
i only have one supplier though
my only supplier says he cant get BMW's for a while but he can supply FORDS untill he gets more BMW cars
so this is my situation.....
fill up my car lot with FORDS, even though 100% of my buyers want BMW's!
this is a far from perfect scenario for any publisher, considering i am in fact a customer of google!
untill such times as google offers REAL tools for us to display RELEVANT ads on our sites and open up the ads filter list, they wil only stand to lose quality sites that will publish their ads..
i for one still enjoy a monthly check from google, but i know it could be a great deal more $$ for me and google, if only they start to help the sites that make them $$ as well
Rant #2
cheers
mikey
It feels a bit difficult at first pulling adverts off pages but when the positive results come in it makes such worries go away.
I'm now down to about only 20% of my pages having adverts. The pages that the adverts are on are typically browsing "end pages" (ie, where my visitors are leaving and moving along).
However I'm still having to check each day for new MFA's creeping in.
Just a thought.
I'm curious because I'm going to start filtering out MFAs tomorrow ... I just don't know which URLs/keywords are MFAs =)
so without clicking on the ads, how would do you know which are MFAs?
You can hover your mouse over the ad and note down the URL, then visit the site.
Or you can use the preview tool.
I /RIGHT/ click and view the source with an installed extention called "view source chart", what it does is cluster/indent the code so that you can rapidly locate the stuff you want.
However, I fair warn people, don't go blindly doing this as we all know a single accidental left-click could be rather disasterous.
I personally want to see a better way of doing this... perhaps there's another Firefox extention which will show the -true- destination on hover-over (there probably is). Even still, I worry about my left-click, years of gaming has left me with a twitchy finger.
But thinking about it, it makes sense that the junky ads would keep returning to the very pages where the higher quality ads don't convert as well as they do in the rest of the channel. I tend to look at the channel eCPM and think, "That's great, no problems in this channel" but when I track all the indivdual pages in the channel, there are still winners and losers.
Even though the losers in the best eCPM channels outperform the winners in some of the weaker channels on different subjects, it's possible that Adsense is also seeing them as losers in the relative sense, and not wasting the better quality ads on them. As soon as things settle down, I'll have to run a new experiment.
The preview tool is pretty neat!
BTW, I have an Adwords account (with $100 credit)..how do I check to see which keywords for my website pays more? Can someone tell me specifically or possibly link me to a page that does? I tried running a search, but to no avail..
