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"Forcing" clients to use my AdSense

         

Noel

11:26 am on Dec 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Hi all,

This is a great place! I've started using AdSense this month, and I'm already in the 3 digit's! (and no I did not click on it myself!)

The site I'm running the AdSense code gets about +800 real visitors a day.

Anyway... Now my question.

I'm running a small web/email server and a lot of friends of me are hosting there websites on it for free!

Now that I've seen that AdSense can really make money I would like to get all the (free) sites on my server to show my AdSense.

I've email all my friends about this, and as they are using the service for free, they did not have any problems with this!

So my question now is.. Am I allowed to do this from AdSense?

Thanks for any info and keep up the good work.

Noel

Mario

12:53 pm on Dec 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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As long as the sites in question fall under the TOS then its definitely okay to do this. However you say that the sites belong to your friends and I would be uncomfortable forcing my friends to put the code on their sites. Also can you be sure that they won't go click-happy in order to keep their hosting free?

bignet

1:20 pm on Dec 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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How many visitors your friends websites get per day?

Noel

3:31 pm on Dec 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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re: As long as the sites in question fall under the TOS

Yes they do fall under the TOS.

re: How many visitors your friends websites get per day?

Two of the sites are around the 500 real sessions per/day (not in weekends)

The others sites are till now not really interesting. (between 5 to 100 sessions p/d)

re: Also can you be sure that they won't go click-happy in order to keep their hosting free?

I've told them that the hosting will stay free, and that click are not a must!

An other thing that I might start doing is auto-adding the AdSense to all email's that are send with the also free webmail that I supply to them!

Not sure how I will do this, and again if it's okay with AdSense to do so!

Noel

europeforvisitors

3:41 pm on Dec 21, 2003 (gmt 0)



An other thing that I might start doing is auto-adding the AdSense to all email's that are send with the also free webmail that I supply to them!

Not sure how I will do this, and again if it's okay with AdSense to do so!

Google explicitly prohibits AdSense ads in e-mail.

Read the "Google AdSense Program Policies" page, where you'll find more information on what you can or can't do.

Blue_Fin

3:42 pm on Dec 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Noel, you should carefully read the AdSense Terms of Service, the Program Policies and the FAQs. Your AdSense code can only be placed on sites that you are legally authorized to act on behalf of. Just because you provide free hosting, that doesn't mean that you are legally authorized to act on behalf of a site. Further, the AdSense code cannot be placed on email.

I think your proposal is extremely risky and could jeopardize your AdSense account. If you alienate one of these website owners, they could intentionally cause your AdSense account to be terminated.

novice

4:03 pm on Dec 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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noel,

Net Firms offer free hosting and uses the AdSense leader board at the top. You may want to contact Google before you set it up. You may need a minimum amount of traffic for a "special terms" arrangement.

Sicky me if you want an example URL

novice

Noel

7:27 pm on Dec 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Thank you all for the info,

I have emaild AdSense about the "ads on friends sites" question.

Lets wait and see what they will say!

Re: Email.. Yes I've read it now. I guess this is for sure a no go..

Noel

401khelp

10:55 pm on Dec 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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You might want to read the following thread which dealt with this issue and has some good points:

[webmasterworld.com...]

Noel

11:40 pm on Dec 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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401khelp.

Thanks for the link! I did do a "search" before I started this post. If I would have seen it I would have posted this question there.

The (2) sites I'm thinking of adding AdSense are not forums, so my situation is a bit different with one of the problems they are having there.

One of the users had a good point!
I might get my friend's to open there own AdSense account with Google and give me the needed data to access the data! (not sure if this is within Googles rules)

Anyway.. Lets wait and see what reply I'll get from AdSense on my 1st email.

Noel

Blue_Fin

11:59 pm on Dec 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I might get my friend's to open there own AdSense account with Google and give me the needed data to access the data! (not sure if this is within Googles rules)

I do think that would be against the rules because they could either say you have opened multiple accounts (since they may track logins by the IP address) or that the person who opened the account is sharing his stats which is a violation of the TOS Confidentiality Clause.

Noel

6:40 pm on Dec 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Okay. I got this today, (I hope I'm not violating any rule with AdSense by posting this)

<paraphrase>You can display your AdSense code for any site you want to show AdWords ads. We do monitor all pages displaying AdWords ads, and we will ask you to remove the code from any page that violates our policies.
</paraphrase>

So I guess it's okay to do as long as the site compilies with the AdSense policies!

Noel

[edited by: Jenstar at 7:04 pm (utc) on Dec. 22, 2003]
[edit reason] Sorry, no email quotes please, as per TOS [/edit]

Jenstar

7:05 pm on Dec 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Quite an interesting reply, since there is no mention that the publisher has to have legal ownership or permission from the owner to place AdSense on a site. Yet it is clearly against the TOS if you do not have ownership or permission to do so.

Blue_Fin

7:37 pm on Dec 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Didn't someone recently post that their account was disabled, without warning, because they had placed their AdSense code on a page that violated the Program Policies?

I think the response you received was ill informed.

Unless you are willing to risk full termination, I would stick with complying with the rules as stated.

novice

10:23 pm on Dec 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Noel,

I did get a look at the response, from Google, that you posted before Jen paraphrased it. Unless that was some kind of form letter response it looks as though they are giving you the go ahead.

If you do decide to proceed I would save a copy of that email, along with the email you sent them, in case this issue comes up in the future.

novice

edit typo

Jenstar

12:22 am on Dec 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

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It looked like a standard form letter to me (probably used in response to a "Can I put AdSense ads on all my sites" question), which is why it surprised me it didn't make reference to the ownership issue.

There was a recent thread [webmasterworld.com] where a publisher was told to remove AdSense from pages hosted on Geocities, unless he could prove he owned Yahoo. So it is an issue they are looking at, unless they are just cracking down on Geocities sites running AdSense.

Sometimes a second follow-up email asking for clarification will get you a personal email as opposed to a standard form letter.

Blue_Fin

12:46 am on Dec 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Didn't someone recently post that their account was disabled, without warning, because they had placed their AdSense code on a page that violated the Program Policies?

Here it is.

[webmasterworld.com...]

This contradicts what you were told today.

europeforvisitors

2:00 am on Dec 23, 2003 (gmt 0)



Didn't someone recently post that their account was disabled, without warning, because they had placed their AdSense code on a page that violated the Program Policies?

Whether a publisher gets warned or dumped probably depends on the nature and seriousness of the violation. IMHO, a publisher who appears to have made a minor mistake (e.g., by serving AdSense ads on a page that's showing occasional Google AdWords banners from FastClick or Tribal Fusion) is likely to be treated more charitably than a publisher who's double-serving ads on autogenerated garbage pages that target big-money keywords.

novice

2:21 am on Dec 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Jenstar wrote,

"There was a recent thread where a publisher was told to remove AdSense from pages hosted on Geocities, unless he could prove he owned Yahoo."

I think in this case he would be the owner according to that statement. I believe he is trying to setup a mini version of Yahoo - Geocities sites. At least that is what I get from his post.

Although I do agree that there may be some mix up in communications between Noel and AdSense over what exactly he is trying to do.

That is why I suggested he save all email communications.

novice

Noel

10:54 am on Dec 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Okay,

I've replied to the email, explaining the situation again and asked for a verification!

Let's wait and see what is next.

Noël

PS. This way I would like to wish you all a Merry Christmas, a happy New Year and that all your served ads serve well!

Noel

10:28 pm on Dec 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Here we go again.

Here is part of the reply I got from AdSense.

<paraphrase>As explained in our previous email, you may add the AdSense ad code to any page in any site on which you want to display AdWords ads, provided that it complies fully with our program policies and Terms and Conditions.</paraphrase>

So it looks like I get the thumbs up from AdSense to do it.

Noel

Kinitz

1:27 am on Dec 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I'm running a small web/email server and a lot of friends of me are hosting there websites on it for free!

Lycos is doing just that - serving AdSense - with their Tripod free webspace on a massive scale. So I see no reason why couldn't you the same on smaller scale. You are hosting these websites so you have access to the server and their files, you don't need to ask them to change something. I think you clearly can do it. You may even use similar technical solution as Lycos is using in Tripod!

Blue_Fin

4:08 am on Dec 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

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If you are not legally authorized to act on behalf of the other sites, it does not comply with the Terms & Conditions.

cyberair

6:45 am on Dec 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I am not a lawyer, but can a solution to having "legal rights" to the other sites, be to include in the hosting website, perhaps in the Terms of Service (TOS) of the company, "all sites hosted for free can be modified by our company, XYZ Inc., with third party advertisements..."