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Just think over this plan following, I am not calling you to screw around all the day with this ,but I mean you can try this. It is an interesting thought on a possible new use for an old concept.
Just do following
1.Just create a web page with Auto responder web form to collect emails and follow the opt in list with daily messages from the auto responder (eg aweber).
Use adwords/other ppcs and offline news paper ads (try online banners as well) to gt optins sign in to your DB.
2.Now go and make a group of web pages with similar anchor text and key words ( home jobs, insurance etc). Just try some Blogs too.
3.Drive the opt in list of e mail subscribers to these pages and hope a person should see minimum 3 pages per day (rotating through entire data base of pages).
This will go with TOS of adsense
Studies show each 2 visit will bring a click on ads ( 10 cents! hmm not bad)
A moderate DB of 10000 verified e mails can easily get 8000 P V (Page Visits) and 4000 clicks on Ad Sense ads. and $400 a day. 12k a month and 140 k a year. (DB will grow with earning)
It's all about focusing on that opt in email data base and its growth, and also on "cleverly" driving them to click ads. (TOS - never compel/force any one to click ads)
I mean additions to this as applies to building a relationship with site visitors, and giving them a reason to return. Let them add their links and text of their choice and feed backs to your web pages.
Try to make more page and blogs with adsense and continue this
How/what do you think about this? I am too zapped to help you right now. Please find your self more.
In the coming days, I am going to thoroughly cover the intricacies of making money online through adsense and affiliate programs as well. If any one can give me a better plan to try I will be happier.
Regards
Pockan
[edited by: pockan at 4:14 am (utc) on Mar. 9, 2006]
1.Just create a web page with Auto responder web form to collect emails and follow the opt in list with daily messages from the auto responder (eg aweber).
Other than my own sites, there is only one site that I visit daily... Google (specifically adsense). Oh, and I can't even recall the last time I've followed a link in an email.
Granted, I am not an "average" user. But you still have to give the average users out there a little credit. Unless you are giving away truly desirable, fresh content daily, and getting people personally invested in the site, they will only visit so often.
Freq---
make content
update content daily
find visitor
indesx my website in search engin
build customer loyalty
and make money
Without content a website cannot make money (is my opinion)
good content is important, and update the content
celebrity gossips and daily (free ) updates of home job news can bring wonderful traffic
Caution is the word.
Use offline news paper ads , printed notice , ad words
to get OPTINS
Great advice to spend $400 a day.
I know people spending $400 a day for newspaper ads.
This people have usual 100 different real estate offers for $50.000 to $500.000 to sell with this ads.
I used to run my opt-in only mail list and every time I ran it one wacko would complain about spamming to my upstream....
... and for the love of god be careful if you've registered with GoDaddy and run a list as they've been reported shutting down domains and holding them hostage for $199 or $299 to turn them back on.
double every month
The last company to achieve close to that (but not quite) on the internet was Skype (with it's userbase).
Prior to that, it was Google (with # of users and daily searches performed) between 1999 and 2001.
The point? It takes a seriously clever or downright brilliant concept or product to achieve that level of growth.
Viral marketing is an incredibly powerful tool (and on the net, the single most powerful tool), but it requires the right concept behind it to work.
TJ
t's not a surprise, because IT IS A SPAM!
How exactly is it spam if it's an opt-in email list you've cultivated yourself. I'm inclined to agree with incredibill - running email lists can be a lot of hassle at times, even if they can be effective at driving repeat visits.
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It's not a surprise, because IT IS A SPAM!
Great content, coupled with the right audience (audience interested in ads) are what you need to make $400+ per day.
You must have missed the bit about his list being Opt-in only.
Everybody can opt-in in everybody's database with a fake email address. That is why it is not enough to offer opt-in/out feature. Before you start sending your spam offers/newsletters what you need to do is obtain a confirmation from the email address owner! There is only one way to do that - send a request to the email address and get back a response/confirmation from the same email address.
Have you sent a "confirmation request" email to that email address? I suppose you did not! That is why I am reporting the spam I get from you. I don't see why should I opt-out as I have never opted-in!
Not at all! How did you know that is me opting-in?
I was about to state "how is opting-in spam?" But then I read you post and would have to agree.
I constantly receive Spam stating that I opted in when in fact I did not.
Wildbest you are right on target.
Everybody can opt-in in everybody's database with a fake email address. That is why it is not enough to offer opt-in/out feature. Before you start sending your spam offers/newsletters what you need to do is obtain a confirmation from the email address owner! There is only one way to do that - send a request to the email address and get back a response/confirmation from the same email address.
One could say that using that logic, the confirmation is unsolicited.. A catch 22.
It doesn't matter if you get a confirmation, or even a recording on the telephone from the user saying "please put me on your mailing list" most ISP's will shut you down if someone merely complains. They don't spend the time to even ask you if the complaint is valid.
In the end, I just got my own pipe, my own servers, and send my mailings out myself.
My mailing list has been built over the last 5 years, and I record the email address, IP address and a couple of other things. Every email I send allows users to opt out and comes from a valid email address.
When I get a spam complaint from someone, I send them the info they signed up with, noting how the IP address/range of their complaint email matches with the email sign up log, and to be more careful when they sign up for mailing lists.
With all that being said, the original idea in this thread is foobar.
One could say that using that logic, the confirmation is unsolicited.. A catch 22.
It doesn't matter if you get a confirmation, or even a recording on the telephone from the user saying "please put me on your mailing list" most ISP's will shut you down if someone merely complains. They don't spend the time to even ask you if the complaint is valid.
In the end, I just got my own pipe, my own servers, and send my mailings out myself.
Every email I send allows users to opt out and comes from a valid email address. When I get a spam complaint from someone, I send them the info they signed up with, noting how the IP address/range of their complaint email matches with the email sign up log, and to be more careful when they sign up for mailing lists.
Nobody wants more email. Opt-in or otherwise.
And, if you bombard folks that truely did "opt-in" with once a week emails it will be considered spam by the recipients as soon as the 3rd week.
Face it, most mass email is spam.
Some of you really do need some fresh air...
what is spam?
plz listen
spam is a indiscriminately send unsolicited, unwanted, irrelevant, or inappropriate messages, especially commercial advertising in mass quantities. that is junk e mail .
Opt in is service you are optin to use.
it is To agree to receive promotional e-mails when registering on a particular website from the site owner and other companies to whom he or she may rent your e-mail address to.
don't mix up - they are miles apart
and more
The CAN-SPAM Act of 2003 (Controlling the Assault of Non-Solicited Pornography and Marketing Act) establishes requirements for those who send commercial email, spells out penalties for spammers and companies whose products are advertised in spam if they violate the law, and gives consumers the right to ask emailers to stop spamming them.
so plz tell me how can you say i am spamming when I
Email to my optin list
Regards
Pockan
Opt in is service you are optin to use...
so plz tell me how can you say i am spamming when I Email to my optin list
Verified Opt-in- The Recipient has verifiably confirmed permission for the address to be included on the specific mailing list, by confirming (responding to) the list subscription request verification.
This is the standard practice for all Internet mailing lists, it ensures users are properly subscribed from a working address and with the address owner's consent.
HERE
The Bulk Email Sender is fully and legally protected because the reply to the Subscription Confirmation Request received back from the recipient proves that the recipient did in fact opt-in and grant verifiable consent for the mailings.
Can you complain spam? (In this case)
what do you say?
No, it is not. I know when people take the hassle to report the spam. They would never do it from the first email they got from a spammer. 99.99% of them will report spam if only they get persistent spam emails. IF you do not get a confirmation from a certain email address, you should forget about that email address. But you continue to send spam despite that you've got no confirmation and, of course, the genuine email owner will report your abuse.
You know? How is it you know, or is this just anecdotal "everyone does what I do" evidence? Let's face the truth here, if someone reports the confirmation email as spam, the ISP will see it as spam and not even ask you to verify it, it happens every day. Heck, all you have to do is report any email to spamcop and they will mark it as spam no questions asked.
Of course, this is the right thing to do. And what does "merely" mean? A complaint is a complaint. There is no such thing as "mere" complaint!
mere·ly (mîr'le;) pronunciation adv.
And nothing else or more; only: merely a flesh wound.
Meaning they just complain and nothing else or more. In otherwords, they don't also send lawyers to the ISP. No charge for the English lesson today.
Does that make you less of a spammer?
You may say whatever you want or what suits you, but YOU have to prove - the one that opted-in is the owner of the email address that they opted-in with! If you can not prove that you should be brought to a court of law. It's simple.
Who said I was a spammer? Opt-in is not a requirement of the can spam act of which it appears you know little about.
From the FTC website:
# It bans false or misleading header information. Your email's "From," "To," and routing information – including the originating domain name and email address – must be accurate and identify the person who initiated the email.# It prohibits deceptive subject lines. The subject line cannot mislead the recipient about the contents or subject matter of the message.
# It requires that your email give recipients an opt-out method. You must provide a return email address or another Internet-based response mechanism that allows a recipient to ask you not to send future email messages to that email address, and you must honor the requests. You may create a "menu" of choices to allow a recipient to opt out of certain types of messages, but you must include the option to end any commercial messages from the sender.
The only requirement is to opt out.
[edited by: Jafo at 5:43 pm (utc) on Mar. 9, 2006]
Verified Opt-in- The Recipient has verifiably confirmed permission for the address to be included on the specific mailing list, by confirming (responding to) the list subscription request verification.
This is the standard practice for all Internet mailing lists, it ensures users are properly subscribed from a working address and with the address owner's consent.
I have personally never received a verified Opt-in-. I have never given permission nor signed up, yet I still receive tons of spam from legitimate companies saying that I have signed up.
It's not a surprise, because IT IS A SPAM! If you send spam to peoples mailboxes it is quite natural they will report you for that spam.
NO, it is NOT SPAM when you register somewhere and check that little box that says "YES, Keep me updated about site events"!
That would be like Brett sending an email to all WebmasterWorld members and someone forgetting they registered here and complaining they were spammed.
I just got sick of dealing with the wackos, like people that can't read what I write here, and stopped sending email.
Now my members are lucky if I'll even reply to them let alone broadcast an email ;)
