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It's remarkable what people are capable of doing just to continue cheating Adsense.
Any comments?
If this is the best they can come up with, these are probably small-time cheaters who were easily caught the first time and will be easily caught again.
I have to agree. Unless they also change their web site along with address and all they will just get banned again.
Wouldn't a DBA suffice?
Or a brand new corpporation, with PO BOX address?
Meybe they are changing name to show their dedication:
John A. Smith, where A stands for Adsense :-)
When you cheaters are choosing your new name, make sure you don't pick one that matches a previously banned cheater's name. God knows that list is growing by the day. It's probably growing so fast that honest publishers with names that match banned members may have trouble getting acceptance.
It's comical to hear to what extreme measures cheaters will go to try and re-cheat the system.
It's probably growing so fast that honest publishers with names that match banned members may have trouble getting acceptance.
Like the TSA's "no-fly" list.
If you've got a name like John Smith, watch out--you could be nailed as an AdSense cheater and a terrorist. :-)
They'd also probably note the fact that John A Smith at PO Box 456 has the same SSN as Joe A Smith, who had a PO Box in the same zip code, and uses the same IP, and who got banned for selfclicking. You can change your name, but unless you're in the Witness Protection Program, you can't change your SSN easily.
I'm not sure how they would track it for overseas publishers, however.
But for the US residents, it would be easier for the true scammers simply to steal somebody's identity entirely.
Leva
This only comes to prove how amazingly profitable business is cheating and re-cheating AdSense!
Personally I doubt that cheating AdSense IS amazingly profitable.
What I think it demonstrates is how many people from all around the world get stars in their eyes when they hear the details of the AdSense program. They have no website, no experience, few skills, but desperately want to get in on this pay-per-click deal as if it's a scam rather than a business. I'd bet the majority are thrown out before they ever receive a check.
I'd bet the majority are thrown out before they ever receive a check.
As we all know, G's adsense team is miniscule. So my bet would be the opposite. Many get away with it for a LONG time before they get caught.
As for the question that someone raised earlier about the foreign publishers. I think that would be pretty easy. For example getting a PO box in the UK (as I am sure elsewhere in Europe) is pretty easy and it doesn't even have the term PO box in it. So how would G know that J Smith of 123 Anywhere street, Edinburgh is the same as J Smith, Studio 14, 100 High Street, Anywhere (which COULD easily be a po box address) is the same person?
Ah, another believer in the all omnipotent google.
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unless you're in the Witness Protection Program, you can't change your SSN easily.
What about Employee Identification Numbers? Doesn't AdSense accept those in lieu of SSNs when a publisher is applying under a business name? If so, can Google know that Whatsits Unlimited (with a new EIN) is owned by the same Joe Scumbag who got bounced from AdSense for cheating advertisers with an earlier account that had a different EIN?
And the sad thing about all of this is that even the better crims themselves admit that "it's just like work" and if they put the same amount of effort into doing it right vs bucking the system mostly they'd be better off.
Remember: the average IQ of the occupants of British police cells is 85. Just about stupid enough to think they're smarter than the rest of us and don't need to bother with the rules that we live by...
However, mathematically it turns out that societies with a scattering of freeloaders/scumbags are more stable (though poorer) than those without (since we all have to sharpen up our acts in effect), so there's no use crying about this fallen world! B^>
Rgds
Damon
Kursk said: Doesn't a name change involve other issues, like credit history in your name, deed to the house, car titles, etc.? Not that those have anything to do with adsense application, but isn't it too much trouble?
Oh, I guess we have some people getting interested... *lol* - don't change your name dude, it's not worth it.
Leva said: They'd also probably note the fact that John A Smith at PO Box 456 has the same SSN as Joe A Smith, who had a PO Box in the same zip code, and uses the same IP, and who got banned for selfclicking. You can change your name, but unless you're in the Witness Protection Program, you can't change your SSN easily.
Forget about Social Security Numbers. International publishers are not required to give it to Google. International publishers don't even pay taxes, and most of them don't even report their earnings to local governments. Why would they? Google is not reporting international publisher's earnings to outside governments as no SSN is required etc.
blairs said: As we all know, G's adsense team is miniscule. So my bet would be the opposite. Many get away with it for a LONG time before they get caught.
I agree. Average cheater pockets on average $50,000 US dollars before being caught. How profitable cheating really is? You have click factories in India, Asia; people who spend 12-16 a day spamming other forums and getting consistent, uninterrupted clicks etc. It's ridiculous what people are capable of doing in the name of money.
