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I only make 8-10 USD a day

a phpBB-forum with 4.000 site impressions

         

HuhuFruFru

9:28 am on Jan 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

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i have a phpbb-forum, 4.000 site impressions a day, ctr 1.6%, 50 clicks, the theme is religion & spirituality. i only get 8-10 $ which is nothing. what's wrong with the site? it is very well indexed in google (50.000 pages in google, well SEOed, no dynamic pages, a lot of content etc).

abbeyvet

9:45 am on Jan 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

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That actually seems pretty good for a forum, they tend to be low earners.

jetteroheller

9:52 am on Jan 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

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$2..2.50 eCPM seems very good for a forum.

Mansi_Khan

9:54 am on Jan 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Wish i could have 1000 site impressions at the moment. :(

Mistra

9:55 am on Jan 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

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That should be enough to cover the monthly fee for a dedicated server. Consider yourself very fortunate. Is forum your only source of income from Adsense?

petra

10:33 am on Jan 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I recently removed all adsense from my forum and kept it on the main site earnings went through the roof. Adsense on forums decreases your ctr and therefor your earnings from the program.

ligel

11:06 am on Jan 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

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It's really hard to make money with forums! The CTR is to low!

Mansi_Khan

11:22 am on Jan 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Ctr Ctr Ctr... I dont even have traffic :`(
Someone get me traffic! I will serve or help you in any other possible way!

sim20

11:27 am on Jan 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Traffic..Traffic & Traffic

That's the important thing buddy....

Mansi_Khan

11:48 am on Jan 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Yup. Trafficcc!
Anyone please gimme some of their traffic, i can help you in other ways like making you flash stuff and banners even small animations etc! I just want atleast 500 + Impressions!

jchampliaud

11:49 am on Jan 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Traffic..Traffic & Traffic

That's the important thing buddy....

Maybe with forums but not necessarily with content sites. I’ve just created three small sites with limited but targeted traffic and most importantly targeted ads. Each is on a tourism subject with relevant content. Two out of the three best my big tourism site that has 10 times the traffic. In short a small site with the right visitors and ads can do very well. Now if I could just build another 10 sites…

Lipik

1:14 pm on Jan 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

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15 to 20 cents per click is not bad (ok there are better, there are also worse)
over1 % ctr for a forum is good.
So the only thing you need.... traffic.

Remember, a lot of webmaster do it for less then 8 $ a day.

NoLimits

1:21 pm on Jan 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

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If you can sustain a 1% + CTR in a popular forum over a long period of time - you're my hero and we should be asking you for advice.

I would brace for impact if this was a recent addition (adsense) - The repeat visitors of your forum will quickly learn where not to click.

If this has been long term - would you mind sharing some of your placement locations on your forum that allowed you to attain such a high CTR. (That really is phenominal for a forum)

celgins

1:38 pm on Jan 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Right now, I'm only getting about $5-$7/day and that's ridiculous. But I know it's due to minimal marketing and low traffic.

I plan on incorporating forums into my online magazine, so maintaining a CTR over 1.5% sounds really good.

jema

2:42 pm on Jan 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

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That is an absolutely staggering CTR for a forum!

I'd like to know what is happening there.

xkipx

3:43 pm on Jan 13, 2006 (gmt 0)



Try adding your forum to another URL, seperate from your main pages (if you have any)

This way any profit generated from your main pages, and your massive impressions wont kill your main site pages CTR.

If you have any main pages, I would suggest doing this!

StuntasticAudi

4:10 pm on Jan 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

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lol

Paris

4:13 pm on Jan 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

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A 1.6% CTR on a forum is a great clickthrough rate, as is the $0.16 to $0.20 per click average given the nature of the forum.

If anything, look for those averages to come down in time (assuming that your community is mostly regulars) as ad-blindness and more regulars settle in.

Your best bet is to create related standalone content. Depending on the religious/spiritual bent of the site, drawing out original articles (or fleshing out content from the best posts) is one way to grow your reach.

cerebrum

4:45 pm on Jan 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

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CTR is very less with forum. If you want to monetize your forum start some subscription service for members and also check out community building section of WW.

kiropyckoticks

3:40 am on Jan 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I suggest you build pages that you think your users are interested in.

If you have a forum about cars, build pages like a Latest Car review or something like how you maintain your car. That would increase your earnings.

I will be very happy with your number of impressions per month. count the unique visitors if it is 100+ then it is very good.

fischermx

4:26 am on Jan 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Adsense on forums decreases your ctr and therefor your earnings from the program.


This way any profit generated from your main pages, and your massive impressions wont kill your main site pages CTR.

Ok, let's say I'm stupid. Does anybody cares to tell me how just for the magic of too much page impressions without clicks, therefore low CTR, would you get lower earnings?
Isn't the eCPM + Total impressions what we should look at? Of course, also you could look at your total earnings.

I recently redesigned my site so that users needs now one more page view to get to the content articles.
That increased my page impressions, it decreased my CTR... and my earnings? Equal, if not slightly higher.

ArtistMike

5:47 am on Jan 14, 2006 (gmt 0)



Ok, let's say I'm stupid. Does anybody cares to tell me how just for the magic of too much page impressions without clicks, therefore low CTR, would you get lower earnings?
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Many page impressions without a click drive down the profit on the clicks that you do get. That is just how the system works. Google wants a few good impressions from people that are interested in the topic of the page ... Google does NOT want hundreds of irrelevant impressions from people that are NOT interested in the topic of the page.

Blue_Chi

1:57 pm on Jan 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I have a website that has a collection tutorials, I used to never put advertisements in our vB forum, but earlier this week I tried it, and two days later, my eCPM dropped by half! The CTR did not change significantly, the same clicks were made in the same ads, no clicks on the vB forum, I think Smart Pricing got me and lowered the CPM! I removed the ads now hoping that the CPM goes up once again.

Swordfish

4:20 pm on Jan 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

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ya thats not bad at all.

ArtistMike

2:31 am on Jan 15, 2006 (gmt 0)



I have a website that has a collection tutorials, I used to never put advertisements in our vB forum, but earlier this week I tried it, and two days later, my eCPM dropped by half!
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How many impressions did the forum add to your overall page impressions? If it was too many then Google's software will reduce the payout on your ads.

For whatever reason if you get too many page impressions the payout drops for any ad clicks. If I add a page that gets 1000 page impressions to my over all daily page impressions then all the payout for clicks go down. That is expecially true if there are no clicks on that new page and it is only page impressions with no clicks for that page.

It is best to take ads off of the pages that don't get clicks, and only put ads on the pages that do get clicks. Even if it is only one or two clicks a day... then those pages will not drag down the other ad payouts on the other pages that get more clicks..

HuhuFruFru

10:09 am on Jan 15, 2006 (gmt 0)

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ArtistMike, are you really serious about that? that would be just horrible! it is a standalone forum and ads are shown automatically on ALL pages and i can't choose on which page they are show or not!

jema

11:10 am on Jan 15, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I run forums and even when I don't make changes I notice pretty wild variations in whatever figures you care to mention.

The ONLY conclusion I have come to is that better ad placement and colours leads to more click and hence more money.

I have never been able to see real evidence of any of the arcane theorys of how things may or may not work.

garyr_h

5:26 pm on Jan 15, 2006 (gmt 0)

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HuhuFruFru,

Just consider yourself VERY lucky to get $8-10 on a forum with just 4,000 impressions. Mind you, impressions are not unique visitors and on forums people tend to browse around a little more which gives a lower CTR, where, you seem to have a fairly good one.

1.6% is good for any type of site, especially a forum. If you look around you might see some with 5% or even 15% CTRs, however, that is mainly due to the placement of the ads and the type of site which holds the ads. 1.6% for a forum is GREAT.

If you want more money, you have a few choices:

1) Create seperate pages interlinked with the forum noting important information which has been discovered on the forum, giving you a chance to place ads at a better location within those pages which will probably get good traffic.

2) Get more traffic. How? Links, links links. Which may be attained overtime, which is usually what it takes for forums. However, if you don't have time, perhaps try exchanging links using the triangle scheme. Not to try and fool Google or anyone else, but to not have to make an extra place to put links on the forum. If done a certain way however, placing exchanged links on a forum can work.

3) Continue to increase the content of the forum. Try to create more discussions on specific keywords (but don't make it look spammy). If your forum is about widgets, try creating a topic about the brand new cool widget which everyone is talking about.

4) Create more sites.

krod

4:25 pm on Jan 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Try yahoo for forums, the CTR will be lower, but it will still pay much better.

hyperkik

6:47 pm on Jan 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Google has given an explanation of Smart Pricing [adsense.blogspot.com] which makes clear that a low CTR will not trigger Smart Pricing.
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