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Influence of this forum on Google?

         

david_uk

6:47 am on Dec 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Just replying to a post in another thread I realised this could be an interesting topic of debate here.

I guess that we will never know the percentage of publishers that read this forum. I'd imagine it would be very low in comparison to the number of adsense accounts. But I do wonder what influence we have on Google's direction as a focus group?

Having been here for a while, I've noticed that quite a few things discussed here eventually filter into the program at some point. So I would like to think that despite being a miniscule proportion of adsense users worldwide, we do have a disproportionate amount of sway at Google.

What do others think? What changes have we seen in Adsense that may be in part down to us? What changes would we like to see?

jchampliaud

7:00 am on Dec 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Didn't 'related searches' come down in part because people here complained so much? I think this forum has a lot of power.

toldan

7:05 am on Dec 16, 2005 (gmt 0)



google does not care

thegreatpretender

7:08 am on Dec 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

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WW is a very helpful tool for them, they could get instant feedbacks from professional webmasters everytime they make changes to their programs.

endomorph1

7:22 am on Dec 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I think they sit down at the plex and say "OK guys, what do we need to change this time. Lets have a look and see what the masses say over at WebmasterWorld"

Any good service provider in any industry should listen to it's customers. I know I do and thats what makes my site successfull and me wealthier.

blairsp

7:47 am on Dec 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

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what threads do you think they ignore though? Obviously the "I got booted out for no reason" threads -because they wouldn't believe that and google is correct all the time anyway. But there must be some (if we are speculating) that are probably of importance to you adsense junkies that they ignore. Thoughts?

jchampliaud

7:59 am on Dec 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Any good service provider in any industry should listen to it's customers. I know I do and thats what makes my site successfull and me wealthier.

Well said. All we can ask is that Google will listen. I think they do and have at times made changes i.e. 'related searches'.

Hobbs

8:32 am on Dec 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I agree that webmasterworld is a powerful catalyst in publishers revenue and awareness, buy Google wise, I am afraid that the majority of replies are from people I have come to be familiar with their nicks and I can count them on one or two hands, which does not make any reprehensive sample for Google for any serious indicator of public opinion, the majority here are lurkers and never participate in any discussion, on the other hand I am more than sure that Google has a huge database of suggestions from active publishers, and also has the resources to formulate and automate trends and demands and suggestions more scientifically. As for webmasterworld, I also think it is a good food for though source for many Google employees, but probably not more than that, I wish my voice is heard here, but I don't think it will play into any decision that Google will be making.

21_blue

12:10 pm on Dec 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Imho, the evidence is that WW has an influence on Google, eg: ideas raised here are sometimes taken forward for consideration and implemented by the Adsense team.

For example, ASA has in the past said things like "thanks for the idea, I'll take it forward inside Google" (I would point you to some examples, but without the WW search facility they are difficult to find; I do remember this happening a few times, though). Also, Jenstar and ASA got heavily involved in sorting out a widespread payment problem a few months ago, awareness of which was raised through this forum, and subsequently we were also kept informed of progress.

Also, some of the features introduced into the Adsense system appeared here in WW as requests or issues a few months earlier. Eg: I recall a discussion a few months ago saying it would be nice to have the option to receive reports via email. That facility was introduced a few days ago.

I know I'm not alone in appreciating the fact that ASA/Google Adsense participate in and listen to this forum, despite the occasional trolling and google-bashing that takes place. And in saying that (before I get accused of trying to line myself up for a Porsche Boxster next Christmas; though, Santa Google, can I have registration: G 006 LE, please) I'm not suggesting that Google are beyond criticism. On the contrary, they seem to want constructive feedback (both positive and negative), which makes good business sense.

Imho, this forum is a good complement to the individual email support Adsense provide, and I suspect that Adsense see it that way as well because of the amount of time they/ASA put into WW.

Paris

1:57 pm on Dec 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Many of the online giants like Amazon, Overstock.com and eBay (and TiVo even) have self-hosted online forums where users congregate and share experiences and provide feedback. At least some of the underlings do watch the boards constantly (and in Overstock's case the CEO is often posting there).

Google doesn't have that kind of fishbowl. It's why I have little doubt that it's not just AdSenseAdvisor occasionally dropping by here.

Go through some of the more lively original discussions and "Eurekas" here -- like the discovery that photos adjacent to the ads improved clickthroughs -- and it wasn't long before Google addressed that issue in the TOS.

Don't expect the top brass of Google to ever stop by here but any rank and file employee bent on moving up the chain that isn't trolling this board for suggestions -- and the YPN board to know how the other half is living -- is probably not going anywhere.

TheDonster

2:50 pm on Dec 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

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If you go through the Adwords forum on WW, the Adwords advisor makes a lot more posts regarding topics than AdSense advisor does here. It's to be expected since that board deals directly with paying customers. But the fact that Google even has someone monitoring our posts at all always impressed me. I think the sample of publishers on this site is too small to sway Google either way but they do seem to want to know which way the wind is blowing by checking out our posts.

AS Advisor often makes a point of asking for feedback when new features are rolling out. Now that doesn't mean the AS team will act on every single one, but the mechanism is there to relay the info to the people who make the decisions.

europeforvisitors

3:01 pm on Dec 16, 2005 (gmt 0)



Google does publisher surveys, and I suspect the AdSense staff pay a lot more attention to the results of those surveys than they do to the endless stream of "My EPC is falling" and "Smart pricing stinks" posts on this and other forums. They might listen to helpful ideas that have been posted here, or to constructive criticism, but only after setting the noise filter to "high."

rfontaine

3:19 pm on Dec 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

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No doubt Google keeps tabs on internet Buzz. It is their business to do so. That said, I know they drop in at webmasterworld from time to time.

novice

3:46 pm on Dec 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

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When Google first introduced AdLinks, all the display layouts were vertical. There were a few publishers here, at WebmasterWorld, who suggested horizontal ads. Google introduced horizontal ads 2 months later.

Coincidence? Who Knows.

I am sure Google uses this forum for feedback. Also, like EFV stated, they send out surveys. And let's not forget the webinars, where they encourage publishers to participate. Last time ASA announced registering for the webinar here.

david_uk

3:52 pm on Dec 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

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They might listen to helpful ideas that have been posted here, or to constructive criticism, but only after setting the noise filter to "high."

I'm guessing that ASA is the "Noise filter" - or at least that would make sense to me.

AdSenseAdvisor

5:39 pm on Dec 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

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As the AdSense employee responsible for monitoring and participating in this forum, I can assure you that your ideas are heard here at the plex. ;)

While WebmasterWorld isn't the only way we receive publisher feedback, it is one important source. And although we can't incorporate every idea or suggestion, we try to respond to your requests as much as possible.

kartiksh

1:59 pm on Dec 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Whoopy! you read this forum as an employee of adsense means all noteble issues are represented directly to plex! Thanks WW and the community.

GoldenHammer

12:01 am on Dec 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I think at least they are listening ..... a good sign for continue success.

incrediBILL

2:08 am on Dec 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I think at least they are listening .....

Got something for them to hear then:

I'm playing with the YPN beta like many other publishers.

If they are really concerned they might consider asking why.

GoldenHammer

3:12 am on Dec 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

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[I'm playing with the YPN beta like many other publishers.]

That is a nature behaviour of a man to try as an optimizer, doesn't matter Google satisfies you or not. But if YPN does better, I will switch for sure....:)

europeforvisitors

3:54 am on Dec 27, 2005 (gmt 0)



I'm playing with the YPN beta like many other publishers. If they are really concerned they might consider asking why.

Um....Maybe because the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence?

kartiksh

7:49 am on Dec 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

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As the AdSense employee responsible for monitoring and participating in this forum, I can assure you that your ideas are heard here at the plex. ;)

Just out of curiosity, how many hours you spent for reading at WW a week?

incrediBILL

8:52 am on Dec 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Um....Maybe because the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence?

Unless I see some green grass that's not the issue, just a speculation.

For starters, a service rep that ANSWERS THE DAMN PHONE is a big bonus instead of waiting many days for a reply, what a concept.

Let's start with CUSTOMER SUPPORT being the #1 complaint and go from there.