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Tripled my CTR but EPC dropped by 75%.

Which would you keep? Higher CTR or more EPC?

         

dzcap

11:35 am on Nov 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Well? What do you think?

jetteroheller

11:49 am on Nov 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

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That's nothing.

Between 1 and 2am, I had 5 times my normal CTR,
but only 25% of normal impressions.

In the night only 30% of my normal night time CTR.

Stats had been the last 27 hours a wild up and down.

So just look at it after some days.

dzcap

12:24 pm on Nov 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

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No, the increase in CTR is due to the layout change, it used to be around mid 20s but it's at mid single digits now. It's only going to get worse. I am afraid the smart pricing will continue even after I reverse the changes, what do you think?

jetteroheller

3:38 pm on Nov 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I had similar effect in May at my last big change.

Higher CTR, lower EPC.

I remained with the changes at EPC climbed a little bit all the summer.

I would remain with the higher CTR and wait EPC to recover.

dzcap

4:00 pm on Nov 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Under 3 cents a click now! I am going to reverse the change tomorrow, but I am probably screwed for the next 1-2 weeks.

jetteroheller

4:14 pm on Nov 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Do not change anything.

What I see today are not statistics, that are sadistics!

I think there is something wrong or complete messed up.

I have normal very stable statistics. No big jumps up or down. Just constant development.

But since yesterday big jumps up and even more jumps down.

One hour is the impression count strange
Other hour CTR
Next hour EPC down to 40% normal.

So remain with Your changes, until I state, that statistics look normal stable runing.

dzcap

4:21 pm on Nov 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I reversed all the changes already, I was suddenly making 50% of what I normally make, then with this change, UNDER 10%.

Increase traffic: revenue drops
Increase impressions: revenue drops
Increase CTR: revenue drops

Smart pricing rules...

jomaxx

5:52 pm on Nov 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Just a couple of days ago you posted this:
What a load of crap. I only increased CTR by .2% and immediately gets hit with smart pricing, revenue dropped 60%.

Now you're saying you increased CTR by 200%. Which is it?

DaveN

6:01 pm on Nov 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

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do you ever take the iP's and check to see if they are proxies, they could be clickbots, I have seen people targetting content networks recently to eat budgets...

Dave Naylor

malachite

6:08 pm on Nov 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

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The OP said the downturn is due to a layout change.

I gave all my sites a completely new look over the weekend, yesterday everything tanked adsense-wise. Today, things picked up again.

If you have a lot of regular traffic, give them time to get used to the new look - if the changes are big ones, they might be more interested in the new layout than in clicking for a couple of days.

dzcap

7:33 pm on Nov 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

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2 days ago, I increased CTR by .2%. But I was still not satisfied. Yesterday I made a layout change and increased CTR by 200%, after doing that I have been getting 1 cent clicks.

Now I have reversed the layout change and I am still getting 1 cent clicks! I dealt with this crap 3 months ago, never thought I'd have to go through it again. I am pretty sure for the next 1-2 weeks or as far as next month, I will be stuck with 1 cent clicks.

I think I am going to use YPN, but I don't know what I'll do if that doesn't work out. Will google become suspicious if suddenly there are no impressions and then a few days later it return to normal? Because I am only planning to test it out and would need to switch back if it performs worse.

jomaxx

9:07 pm on Nov 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

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A few thoughts...

- I don't think changing your CTR by 0.2% in itself could possibly have an effect. You'd probably have to pull together months of data just to measure your average CTR that accurately anyway. That's not to say the change didn't have some other consequence with respect to ad targeting or smart pricing.

- Smart Pricing is supposedly recalculated weekly. I don't think we know this for a fact, but if it's true then data from your most recent change, and maybe the one before that, wouldn't have had time to filter into the system. Maybe it's a change in user behaviour or where your traffic is coming from instead.

- Did either of these changes involve adding ad blocks? AdSense pricing is based on competitive bidding, so the more separate ads on the page, the less you'll get paid per click on average.

dzcap

10:00 pm on Nov 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

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There is only 1 ad unit per page, and STILL getting 1 cent/click. It is definitely not a weekly thing, because I got smart priced in a matter of hours. All I can hope for is the fresh day tomorrow and see if I managed to reverse the SP.