Welcome to WebmasterWorld Guest from 54.162.44.105

Forum Moderators: goodroi

Message Too Old, No Replies

Google Wins Case over Microsoft and Employees NonCompete

     
7:39 pm on Sep 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

Administrator from US 

WebmasterWorld Administrator brett_tabke is a WebmasterWorld Top Contributor of All Time 10+ Year Member Top Contributors Of The Month

joined:Sept 21, 1999
posts:38070
votes: 16


A Washington state judge has cleared the way for Google Inc. to hire a former Microsoft executive to head its Chinese research and development center so long as the employee does not recruit from Microsoft.

Reuters [in.today.reuters.com]

7:41 pm on Sept 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

Senior Member

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member

joined:Feb 20, 2002
posts:812
votes: 1


I bet microsoft are bulling today! KICK.
7:58 pm on Sept 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

Full Member

10+ Year Member

joined:Apr 25, 2003
posts:324
votes: 0


Gotta believe "Mr Bill" does not like this very much!

Not suprizing though, most "non-comp" agreements are not worth the paper they are printed on.

8:03 pm on Sept 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

Senior Member

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member

joined:Mar 12, 2002
posts:1141
votes: 0


Big Bill has been sweeping up the talent for years; karma is inevitable. Maybe they should invest in them colorful balls!
8:12 pm on Sept 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

Senior Member

WebmasterWorld Senior Member digitalghost is a WebmasterWorld Top Contributor of All Time 10+ Year Member

joined:Feb 23, 2002
posts:3687
votes: 0


Google wins?

restricted Lee to recruiting for Google in China and to talking to government officials about getting a license to do business there but said Lee cannot work on technologies such as search or speech.

Pyrrhic victory.

8:33 pm on Sept 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

New User

10+ Year Member

joined:Jan 10, 2005
posts:23
votes: 0


"We are really pleased with the judge's order," Tom Burt, deputy general counsel for Microsoft, said Tuesday. "For $10 million, (Lee) can interview students and be a leasing agent," he said, referring to Lee's purported salary at Google. The order "reduces him to being, at least until the outcome of trial, the most highly compensated HR (human resources) manager ever."

Let the spin begin...

9:10 pm on Sept 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

New User

10+ Year Member

joined:Feb 15, 2004
posts:21
votes: 0


I think to say that Google has won the case is misleading, in the title of this message thread.

I read it as purely that he can do the hiring but is specifically excluded from working on any search technology.

Green2K

9:18 pm on Sept 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

Senior Member

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member

joined:Mar 22, 2001
posts:2450
votes: 0


However, in his order, the judge enjoined Lee and his new employer from working on any product or service that relies on confidential information tied to search, natural language processing and speech recognition he obtained while working for Microsoft. Google lawyers had agreed to these specific restrictions ahead of the ruling, a Google spokesman said.

Spin, nothing... this is very clearly a victory for Microsoft. "Google Wins Case" is a joke. As others have said, what Google now has is an overpaid HR director.

9:52 pm on Sept 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

Senior Member from CA 

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member Top Contributors Of The Month

joined:Nov 25, 2003
posts:1025
votes: 212


It is a victory for Google - note that Google lawyers approved the wording and that it explicitly does not stop him from research, development, etc - only from using confidential information obtained while working for Misrosoft.

As such information can likely be "reverse engineered" and presented differently I would say Mr. Lee can set about business pretty much as usual.

And any "infringement" claimed as serendipitous independent Chinese technological leadership :-) by other talented G employees.

Also: both companies can afford court forever (which takes care of the US arena) and the enormous non-US market could care less about US court findings.

Rather amusing to see MSFT getting what they've so often given.

10:24 pm on Sept 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

Senior Member

WebmasterWorld Senior Member digitalghost is a WebmasterWorld Top Contributor of All Time 10+ Year Member

joined:Feb 23, 2002
posts:3687
votes: 0


>> does not stop him from research, development, etc

Yes, it does. If that work involves search, or speech.

People that hate MS can be happy, and people that hate Google can be happy. Both of them are spending boatloads of money on attorneys.

10:44 pm on Sept 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

Junior Member

10+ Year Member

joined:Nov 5, 2002
posts:70
votes: 0


what happens in 2-4 years when Google China launches a new product? MS can sue for everything, claiming breach of Lee's contract. How can Google prove Lee never does product development work? I see mountains of future litigation.
11:55 pm on Sept 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

Senior Member

joined:Dec 29, 2003
posts:5428
votes: 0


>> Google Wins Case over Microsoft and Employees NonCompete

misleading title.

2:33 am on Sept 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

Senior Member from HK 

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member

joined:Nov 14, 2002
posts:2297
votes: 18


>> How can Google prove Lee never does product development work? I see mountains of future litigation.

By adding three layers of compliance officers... just like the investment houses do. Innovation at its best ....

2:47 am on Sept 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

Senior Member

joined:Dec 29, 2003
posts:5428
votes: 0


>> By adding three layers of compliance officers... just like the investment houses do. Innovation at its best ....

hahaha.

Only Google really knows why they (REALLY) hired him. If they hired him to do what he was doing at MSN, MSFT won, but if they are paying him some $10 mil to hire the best Chinese students, Google won.

I admit, I'm not up to speed how competitive the hiring is in China, but from my chair here (somewhere in NE USA), it seems that in adition to the name and technology, that $10 mil would've gone a long way to pay those students some extra $$ to join Google without this guy. If you give a check for $100K to 100 top level students in China, just as a signing bonus, I bet they'd be thrilled. Let's face it, $$ talks, and if only innovation and company culture mattered, they'd join Google anyway. But I also know that $10 million is not much to Google, considering the circumstances.

as I said, only a few people really know who won. MSFT can't stop this guy from making a living, so we already knew he'd work at some capacity.

4:40 am on Sept 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

Senior Member

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member

joined:May 29, 2005
posts:866
votes: 0


And all the attorneys are very happy. But, I think ms won because he can't work on anything he is expert in. MS has been working on this stuff forever in one form or another. Even some footnote or memo dragged off some underlings computer (at ms) gets tied to any google technology that he works on...rights go to microsoft. That's what no compete is all about.
5:51 am on Sept 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

Senior Member

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member

joined:Dec 2, 2002
posts:792
votes: 0


The title is completely misleading. This is an interim order
11:29 am on Sept 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

Senior Member

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member

joined:Oct 5, 2001
posts:2466
votes: 0


The trial is in January..

DaveN

3:21 pm on Sept 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

New User

10+ Year Member

joined:Feb 11, 2004
posts:10
votes: 0


The key phrase in the article which relates to what Lee is allowed to do with search and is, "Google lawyers had agreed to these specific restrictions ahead of the ruling, a Google spokesman said."

So Google was expecting this ahead of time and obviously have some plans that either sidestep the issue or don't involve the direct issue of him using his MS knowledge at Google at all.

It's a bit strong to say he's an overpaid HR person when Google seems to have known and agreed to those terms ahead of time.

Also lets not forget - unlike the USA - in Asia relationships often mean more than $$s. I'm sure Google is banking on that as well.

3:35 pm on Sept 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

Preferred Member

10+ Year Member

joined:Mar 22, 2005
posts:373
votes: 0


>>People that hate MS can be happy, and people that
>>hate Google can be happy. Both of them are spending
>>boatloads of money on attorneys.

and what about those of us that hate attorneys? don't we have the right to be happy too? :)

3:18 am on Sept 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

New User

10+ Year Member

joined:July 30, 2004
posts:18
votes: 0


isn't the non-compete clause good for 1 year only? after 1 year Lee and google can do what whaterever they want?
2:09 pm on Oct 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

Full Member from US 

10+ Year Member

joined:July 12, 2000
posts:323
votes: 4


Judge ordered a tentative stay in Web search company Google Inc.'s lawsuit against Microsoft
Corp., dealing a blow to Google's fight over the hiring of a former Microsoft official.

Reuters article [today.reuters.com]