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I can't reach Google from China

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2:42 am on Aug 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I'm located in China. Today it is impossible to get either www.google.com or www.google.co.jp (Japanese Google).

Is this affecting anyone else? Or is it only China? (or only me?)

10:38 am on Sept 5, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Google has responded to China's block, but I can't read the story because it's on BBC, which is also blocked. I should check [ap.org,...] which is not blocked. From there, randomly choose a city and state and you can read the newsfeed on the wire. That always works.

In the meantime, here are three sites that you can access from China. They are identical to Google, except that the first is a mirror image that just looks incredibly cool. Based on the premise, no doubt, that the word Google eventually leads to a block.

[alltooflat.com...]
[google.cm.nu...]
[google.icq.com...]

Cheers!

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10:39 am on Sept 5, 2002 (gmt 0)

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More on the Beeb [news.bbc.co.uk] this morning about this.

Media freedom groups have criticised China for blocking access to the popular search engine Google
11:24 am on Sept 5, 2002 (gmt 0)

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GOOGLE IS BACK.

English and Chinese Google both came back when I logged on to the Internet just now. Let's hope it's permanent.

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H O O R A Y !

I was wondering how long they could hold out. It will be interesting to read the subsequent reports.

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2:19 pm on Sept 5, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Here why ???
Make a search for the president of China : Jiang Zemin
Look the 14th result!
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Google appears to have been cut off again. I keep timing out when I try to access it.
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I tried a search on jiang ze min at [google.cm.nu,...] although I didn't make it to no. 14.

I think I can understand why the Chinese might be upset, though.

Check the first result for 'jiang ze min' -- a _Taiwanese_ site entitled 'Don't Kowtow to Jiang Ze-min'.

Then check the first result for 'bill clinton' -- a biography of 'William J. Clinton' from the official White House site that reads: 'During the administration of William Jefferson Clinton, the US enjoyed more peace and economic well being than at any time in its history.'

For an impartial search engine, the result seems more than a little biased.

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So lets leave international politics out of this. We are a community of people working and living on the web. We are in a small way an example of how the web transcends boundaries of nationality and belief.

So do you get significantly different results searching Google databases from China?

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Parts of China still aren't getting Google. Such as, the part I live in.

But to answer somebody else's question, Yes the results are the same here as in the US.

This block could've shot my lesson plans all to a bad place, seeing as how I have neither curriculum nor textbook most of the time. No website is so relevant or well-organized. A damn shame. I'm holding out until November and crossing my fingers.

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Parts of China still aren't getting Google...

No, Google has definitely been cut off again. The 'return of Google' was just a blip.

Concerning the glaring discrepancy between results for 'jiang ze min' and 'bill clinton', I think the Chinese government should consider subscribing to Webmasterworld so they can optimise their sites for Google!

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China blocks AltaVista [webmasterworld.com]
4:54 pm on Sept 6, 2002 (gmt 0)

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An article from the New Scientist News Service about the
elgooG mirror of Google that, as mentioned a few posts ago, is accessible from inside China.

Full-Text [newscientist.com]

See Also: WebmasterWorld [webmasterworld.com] post from January

2:36 am on Sept 7, 2002 (gmt 0)

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even with porxy.

any suggestion?

what other search engine has "image search" function?

THX a lot

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Hi aarnf,

Welcome to WebmasterWorld,

We have a discussion over here [webmasterworld.com] about the current situation. You might find some ideas there.

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you might try aol.com
aol use google result
1:45 am on Sept 8, 2002 (gmt 0)

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or earthlink and netscape, they all use Google results.
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The standard spelling appears to be "Jiang Zemin" (145000 results),
not "Jian Ze Min" (644) - Google suggests the correction, too.

Searching on "Jiang Zemin", you have to go down to #7 before you find an "anti" site, whereas the #3 result for "Bill Clinton" and the #4 for "George Bush" are "anti" sites.

I don't see even the remotest sign of bias here.

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Google is officially prohibited in China now.
"Too much anti-China, porn and other dirty stuff"

Source ( sorry, in Russian :) ) - internet.ru

Interesting, how many visitors have the world lost from Chine through Google?

6:20 pm on Sept 8, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Could it be just that the news finally arrived in Russia?
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Sorry Mods, I've posted it this way because my translation link doesn't work once posted.

Translation
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...both companies Google and AltaVista are intended to attain the cancellation of blocking their systems.But meanwhile for numerous Chinese it is necessary to be satisfied Yayuoo , to the gladness of the latter.

Source: [internet.ru ]

[edited by: chris_f at 8:48 pm (utc) on Sep. 8, 2002]

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Hate to see this sort of thing happen... Total removal of free exchange of information.

But..

Perhaps Google will now know how it feels to be penalised without being told why.

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NeoN - thanks for the information. I fail to see in the translation an official statement from Chinese authorities mentioned - is there something in it, that says so?
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>> Perhaps Google will now know how it feels to be penalised without being told why

1> They link to sites China does not like?
2> They banned china.gov?
3> Some countries take SEO too far?

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When I tried to access Google today, instead I got a Chinese search engine called soseen.com. This is weird!

Heini, I don't expect an official announcement from the Chinese government. The closest you can expect is criticism of Google planted in the press or on the net to find out what the authorities think.

Way back at the start, kch333 referred us to a baidu forum that was discussing Google. There was a link there to an article in Chinese that painted Google as an arrogant American site that harmed China's national interests, and why should Google think itself above control? It very nicely appealed to anti-American sentiments.

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That is interesting bathrobe, as soseen.com seems to be registered to a Chinese chap in Florida, USA. Hmmm...

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Just to confirm that I now get a Chinese search engine when trying google.com too - though in my case it was enet.com.cn
It's got a contact number for the company in beijing - I may well call and offer them my opinion of people who try to grab a few more hits on the back of authoritarian state censorship.
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Article in English:
[news.bbc.co.uk...]
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news.bbc.co.uk is of course blocked in China, so not much use if you're on the inside!

Actually, not a problem for me, because I'm suitably tech savvy to find ways around the firewall. In fact the blocking of Google could actually be a blessing in disguise, because it's the one site that the masses really care about being blocked, and this will undoubtedly force many of them to find ways to circumvent the blocking more routinely. Even in a communist country the opinion of the masses counts for something (how else did they pull-off their communist revolution in the first place).

This whole thing could start off a popular uprising against the authorities, at least in respect of ordinary people utilizing technologies like triangle-boy just so they can get access to Chinese Google. And as a side-effect they’ll also be able to get news.bbc, Geocities, and anything else that they don’t really care much about at present.

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rwired - welcome to WebmasterWorld

It's probably a losing strategy to block the more or less free flow of information, which the internet represents.
Nevertheless, we are a worldwide community of web professionals, who share an interest in the web and how to work with it.
So lets leave discussions on that ground, not delving into international politics.

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