Who are these people?

Why do 2nd and 3rd tier engines exist?

[metakomm]

For example, I will use GoClick.

I experienced rediculous click fraud on certain keywords.

Now if I am bidding for the #2 spot and getting fraud, why is the person in the #1 spot consistently paying for advertising and paying for the same fraud.

And I'm talking about a keyword that for me was clicked 300x in 10 minutes!

Why would people want to buy ads for garbage traffic? There should be no advertisers for goclick on certain keywords!

[nonni]

I'm playing around with a small sum on goclick. When I raise the bids, the daily budget gets blown in a minute or two, and the ROI is quite negative. It looks like keeping low bids on very targeted keywords yields a positive ROI, but am still evaluating it.

[metakomm]

i am completely done with goclick and all these BS PPCSE's...the trust is GONE

[Tazzam]

I've been thru them all. I recommend 3 2-tier engines;

EnHance, 7Search and ABCSearch.

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[edited by: bakedjake at 10:18 pm (utc) on Mar. 28, 2006]
[edit reason] no drops please [/edit]

[bostonseo]

Tazzam,

enhance.com, 7search and ABCsearch? You are the only person to ever recommend these programs - except for employees.

I've tried all these and no zero success with each of these companies.

[Tazzam]

Maybe your not working them right. It's taken some complaining but it got done and my conversions are 3-5% in an extremely competitive market (credit cards, cash advances, health ins. quotes and car loans).

I also use a PPC manager and spend hours each day analyzing data. You can't just throw up a bunch of words and expect them to work. You have to work them.

I also track non-US clicks and CF's and hold them accountable. Maybe this has something to do with it.

All I know is they work for me...and no, I'm not an employee. Certainly not for all of them either.

[bostonseo]

I would still advise that they NONE of the 3 companies are worthy your time and money - If you read over the archives about each of these companies you'll see that the overwhelming majority of posters feel the same way.

Sure every now and then you can make a small profit from a 3rd tier CPC program - but it's probably not worth all the time it takes to generate a slight profit.

[Tazzam]

Well I'm not one to go with the flow.

I make $300-500 a day, my Click Fraud is nonexistent with Enhance and 7Search, and the only adjustment I make is adding money to the account each day.

I am an agrregator of credit cards, auto loans, cash advances and health insurance quote leads. Each are profitable.

[metakomm]

Damn Tazzam...You could make money teaching people your technique...

[shorebreak]

If you're dealing with small (<$50K/mo) sums of money, then there will be the occasional advertiser who gets some goodness out of the tier II/III's, but to answer the question posed initially -

a)these people are scammers who jumped on the ppc bandwagon after the marketshare train had already left the station;

b)they exist because enough advertisers are fools such that they can easily be made to part with their money.

-Shorebreak

[tnonon]

It sounds like your competitors are generating the clicks.