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Adwords being shown for Mispellings

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toddb

9:04 pm on Jul 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I see google is picking up mispellings. If you have widget your adword shows up for wdget or wedget. Have they always done this or is this new? I am pretty sure it is recent.

Shak

9:47 pm on Jul 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Looks like a recent addition...

in the past incorrect spelt words were a great way to target adwords, very cheap CPC and excellent CTR.

Shak

toddb

9:50 pm on Jul 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Thanks Shak, I thought it was recent. Do you have any idea when this happened?

Shak

9:58 pm on Jul 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

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No idea when it was introduced, sorry.

for the rest of readers, maybe worth clarifying what EXACTLY has changed:


In the past when a word was spelt incorrectly, such as "fowers" and you would be asked "Did You Mean: Flowers"

however adwords would only be shown if the advertiser was actually biding for the keyword "fowers" usually at a very low CPC with very high CTR.

since the change which started this thread, automatically adwords are being shown for the keyword "flowers" and I am assuming these are at the rate of the corrected word, rather than the cheaper incorrect word.

I am hoping a few other members can shed some light here, as this seems like a major change, which will affect certain strategies...

Shak

dougb

10:26 pm on Jul 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I'd be surprised if Google really does this. That is far too Overturish a thing for them to do -- automatically forcing their customers to pay for lower-quality traffic. Are you sure the advertisers in this case don't also have bids on the misspelled words? When I tried it just now on a few other terms I don't get that effect. E.g. for "Bsstn" no AdWords appear, but one does appear for "Boston", its correction.

dougb

10:35 pm on Jul 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Well I take that back... I tried some really oddball misspellings of a high-cost keyword (I don't think I should post it here) and it presents the same sequence of 8 AdWords as the correctly-spelled keyword in each case. It seems extremely unlikely that all of the advertisers bid on the misspellings independently.

I find this disturbing.

hannamyluv

10:39 pm on Jul 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Yeah, many of my best words are misspellings. It's also how I avoid trouble with the companies we resell for. I agree not to touch their main words and go to town on the variations.

Does anyone know if it is going the opposite way? As in, if I bid on the misspelling, I will show up for the proper spelling? Hmm... may be something I need to look into on Mon.

toddb

11:57 pm on Jul 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

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They have really wacked us. The playing field just got very level. I agree in this is very overturish in feel. I have term that now shows up for other words. So the targeting of my terms has been spread to completely different areas.
Happy $#^$#&&$ 4th!

Learning Curve

3:10 am on Jul 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Cr^p!

This is the first time Google has ticked me off.

Added: It's not like Google wasn't making enough money! Misspellings were one small way a webmaster with more time than cash could gain a few inexpensive clicks. I hated it when Overture did it and I hate it now.

webdiversity

8:10 am on Jul 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I'm still trying to validate the results, but looking at them so far it seems that it is some sort of match driver, but it is more geared to help those that don't understand the concept of mispellings rather than punish those that do.

The price we are paying for the mispellings is the same as it was, the only difference is we are now seeing "invocation" on AOL and it looks like they may have been the ones seeing a loss in revenue when they were expecting say $2.00 a click and were getting only 5 cents because some people were smart.

If that's the case and we do start getting charged the properly spelt keyword I am hoping that switching off syndication will result in the mispellings helping us to go higher on some of the correctly spelt words and still make the ROI numbers.

I don't see it as that big a deal, broad match has always meant that the entire adwords thing has shown stuff that wasn't relevant, maybe dynamic titles will help those people that mispell to click your ads because the mispelt title is the only one that looks right to them.

Besides, we still have tons of new mispellings on Overture, which tends to make me think it's a human implemented process, so if Google does the same then we should be fine.

Visit Thailand

8:17 am on Jul 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

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This is a very interesting observation. I have to admit I had never considered doing adwords for miss spellings but I just tried it from here and bang there we were.

I have to wonder what the charge is, after all I have not targetted X Y B, so should I pay?

In my view this is very bad, as surely only searches for which you are targetting in your adwords should be paid for, and what is someone also has the misspellings in his target list.

Chris_R

9:42 am on Jul 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

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does not seem top come up for words I am bidding using

[keyword]

maybe would (hard to test in my current circumstances) for:

"keyword"

I'd be upset in either case.

They shouldn't be doing this in either case - this is why people like google - no need to ruin it to make a few extra bucks.

werty

9:40 pm on Jul 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Oh man...when did this start? I just started an adwords campaign on wed. and I do not think it was doing this.

It is rather upsetting because I was the only advertisier going after the mispellings...now I am in 3rd place.

I wonder how the order and bid price are determined on these.

I think it sucks because there goes my sweet low CPC edge on the competition.

I think this is worse than matchdriver since that only goes after similar words(in my understanding) and I can still get good CPC and CTR on the mispelling at $.05(grandfathered) or .$10 for new.

toddb

11:06 pm on Jul 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I am amazed there is not more discussion on this. This is the biggest change that Google adwords has done that I know of. And now any blow joe is going to hit all the words I researched and sought out over a long time.

Shak

11:09 pm on Jul 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

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its weekend time, and many PPC bid managers have a "life" :)

unlike most of us.

I think Monday will bring interesting comments...

Shak

ukstages

6:18 am on Jul 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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well, let me beat the monday rush!

the playing field leveled? yes, absolutely.

fair?

depends on whom you talk to. from google's perspective, they're helping users and hapless webmasters. from our perspective, at first glance, it sucks. big time.

but i can see both sides.

as an advertiser who has painstakingly researched alternative spelllings and misspellings, i'm pretty annoyed. especially since i have many keywords @ $0.05 for which i'm either the only advertiser or among a small select group of other enlightened webmasters.

but as a business person, i respect google's right to do this. we're not talking just a few nickels here... this could mean millions of dollars for them in the long run. and displaying ads for misspelled keywords certainly meets their need to provide the best possible user experience.

still, there should be a way to reward resourceful adwords account holders who are actually bidding on these variations and misspellings.

the fact that we're still paying bargain basement rates for these keywords isn't that comforting, as we'll be lower on the page - or even off the first page - once the other ads are thrown in there. our CTR will likely suffer and, well, you can finish the rest of that story

the good news, perhaps, is that many advertisers who weren't smart enough to bid on misspellings may not be smart enough to properly refine their ads for high click through. in which case, you, as a savvy advertiser with more "flash" than cash, will still be relatively OK. (of course, this is just a theory and i could have my head in the clouds on this one.)

in the end, though, one has to still practice good SEO and work on expanding top quality content.

you say "wijet," i say "wudget"... let's call the whole thing off... and sell some widgets.

Yidaki

7:58 am on Jul 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Unfortunately it's also true for german searches. That's really bad news! >:(
Now my misspellings campaigns with the highest CTR are useless. My strategy no longer works then. Damn, what a bad move.

SlyOldDog

8:39 am on Jul 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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The correction in spelling is also working for premium accounts.

Personally I don't mind. I am very lazy and have no time to target misspellings so it's ok for me so long as the error correction isn't to broad

SlyOldDog

10:08 am on Jul 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Well I take that back. I am in the travel industry. I just did a query for "location htsl" and it was corrected to "location hotels". All the ads appeared.

This is pretty poor. Htsl is closer to "html" than "hotels". This will surely bring me many unwanted clicks.

GumbyDave

11:54 am on Jul 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I alerted Google to this problem a few weeks ago, when "widgets", a product that has been out six months, needlessly showed up in "wigets". Apparently you have to inform of them of what keyword, then they do something about the individual keyword, rather than on a systemwide basis.This is done "to help us better target" (see mindreading). "Widgets" and "wigets" were nowhere near a mismatch, one a brand name "Widgets", the other a business named "wigets". This happens even on exact matches. Google shrugs.

Another concern is Googles ability to target ads. I noticed the country "foo" clicking through, more than the 1% Google claimed would slip by. I asked 15 friends in country "foo" to go to Google.com and type in "widgets", and my ad dislayed 15 out of 15 times. Again, Google shrugs. The claim IP based filtering, but it seems to me that ads are displayed to anyone who visits google.com in the english interface, which is default. This is frankly disturbing since A) more impression, less clickthroughs affect your position. Those targeting worldwide or more than one language or country have an advantage. You also pay for clicks you do not want, and don't expect to get per the Google claim. Test this yourself by going to a "regionial Google" with an english interface, which is default in certain countries, and watch your ad appear. Like Atlas, Google shruged. With people using the keyword Google. google.com, and other variations from all sorts of search engines,

Imagine signing up for Google, selling Widgets. Everytime you used the keyword "widget", your ad will not show until manually reviewed. This includes all variations (widgets, widget's, etc.)., At first it was denied Widgets had any sort of "trigger" "flagging" or any sort of delay, only later to be confirmed. They need a big asterisk next to "Start gaining new customers in 15 minutes or less". Some things you only learn while actually running campaigns, assuming there FAQ is indeed 100% accurate. It isn't..

Frankly, it would be no big deal since anywhere else you get whomever from wherever. There isn't much difference in my logfiles. I get plenty of "Wherevers". However, Google is claiming to do things it either can't do, or is not revealing the full picture until it's too late.

TomWaits

3:17 pm on Jul 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Our secret weapon had been misspellings. Had.

SlyOldDog

3:42 pm on Jul 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Hey Google. How about an option to turn off your add in spell correction mode?

Question for they guys who are targeting misspellings - do your deliberately misspelled keywords still cause your ads show up with the other ads or are they completely gone now?

Another concern is Googles ability to target ads.

Did you really believe they could target Afghanistan? I always looked at the geo targeting with a grain of salt. I think they can target to the level of where they have a sales office and that is it

killroy

3:57 pm on Jul 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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They target per ip, has nothing to do with sales offices. Works the same way as the country analysis of your logs (unless you have those cheapo logs where they do reverse lookups and use the domain extensions)

SN

[edited by: Shak at 4:24 pm (utc) on July 6, 2003]
[edit reason] corrected typos [/edit]

SlyOldDog

4:00 pm on Jul 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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In theory ;)))

GumbyDave

4:42 pm on Jul 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Did you really believe they could target Afghanistan?

I thought they had some kind of IP filtering in place. I haven't seen one person from the USA that went to google.ca typed in something common and have that shouldn't appear show up. If they can only target by regional "googles", they should at least say it, instead of pretending. I haven't had one person from Canada not see an English/US ad when searching from Google.com. Granted I didn't do a 15,000 person survey, but to claim 99% is a bit far-fetched, given the ISP's and blocks of IP's that make it through and saw the ads.

You may say big deal, who searches foreign Googles. I speak 3 languages, use the foreign Googles often. I'm sure those people think the last person seeing their ad is an American. People search with strange keywords, and in different ways..

GumbyDave

4:49 pm on Jul 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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They target per ip, has nothing to do with sales offices

I know quite a few people seeing prices in $CDN.. How targeted is it? .com only?

Shak

4:55 pm on Jul 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I agree that we should have a thread on Targeting, but maybe save that for a different day though :)

back to the actual topic, looks like its a MAJOR move by Google

Shak

GumbyDave

4:55 pm on Jul 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Our secret weapon had been misspellings. Had.

Must be making it easy for you :). Showing them to people making typos totally throws your predicted position way off when Google is assuming a typo, and it isn't. I found this out quite awhile ago while being projected #1 for "Wigets" at .05. In reality I was #6 since it showed under "widgets" as well.

GumbyDave

4:59 pm on Jul 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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back to the actual topic, looks like its a MAJOR move by Google

This has been going on for a month that I noticed, surprised others didn't pick up on it. I don't regularly target typos, was there a time when they didn't show?

SlyOldDog

6:03 pm on Jul 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Actaully Shak, on reflection I think it is not only a MAJOR move. It is a bit of a CHEESY one as well. The natural SERPs show up the spelling error and ask the user to correct it by clicking the link. The ads, however make automatic correction.

I think this is unnecessary and provocative on Google's part. 99% of people will click the link or retype anyway when they realise the spelling mistake (if it was a mistake), and the correct Adwords will be there when the screen refreshes.

If it wasn't a mistake then all the advertisers who were targeting the "error" will not show. What if it wasn't an error? These advertisers will never have their ad displayed.

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