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Google EU VAT Refund!

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5:23 pm on Dec 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Just in time for the festive season, I was delighted to receive 7 cheques this morning from Google Ireland - yay!

BUT, I cannot see any details on which account each cheque relates to - so it near impossible to audit and assertain whether there the amounts are correct or if anything is missing.

It does say that the payment period spans 1 January 2004 to November 2005. Does anyone know the exact period?

11:28 pm on Dec 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Very bad accounting practices indeed.

I want a full statement, though the cheque was nice to get. I wil be pressing support for it

12:13 pm on Dec 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

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How come you have received a refund for VAT?

I am from England, should I be expecting a VAT refund too?

3:18 am on Dec 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Just in time for the festive season, I was delighted to receive 7 cheques this morning from Google Ireland - yay!
BUT, I cannot see any details on which account each cheque relates to - so it near impossible to audit and assertain whether there the amounts are correct or if anything is missing.

I have passed your comments on to the right team, kmander. Glad you got the checks, though. I know you've been patiently waiting from quite some time.
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9:59 am on Dec 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Got mine today - no details of which invoices/VAT amounts it relates to just a time period.

Lionor: If you are VAT rated in the UK and entered your VAT number you should get back the VAT that Google charged ( wrongly) on Adword invoices.

This is as Google is in Ireland which part of the EU and Google is VAT registered.

Under the VAT rules you don't charge VAT to other EU VAT registered companies, but you do to non-vat registered individuals.

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johnhh,

A while ago Adwords asked me if I used adwords for business or not. I choose yes, as I do. There was a space to enter a VAT number, but this field was not mandatiry. I am not VAT registered but I left it blank.

I received a cheque on Friday for the VAT i have paid, and I'm sure I shouldn't have, as I have now paid no VAT.

What happens now?

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... I cannot see any details on which account each cheque relates to - so it near impossible to audit and assertain whether there the amounts are correct or if anything is missing.

...Got mine today - no details of which invoices/VAT amounts it relates to just a time period.

Just stopping by for a quick sec - to say that I've dug into this a bit and have just heard back that all advertisers will get an email before the refund cheque is mailed to them, letting them know the cheque is coming, the amount, and so forth. The account ID is included in that email.

Hope that helps. And I'll certainly pass on the feedback that the account ID should be included on the check as well (although I believe that this is already in the works for the future.)

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12:28 pm on Dec 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

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chodges84: In theory you shouldn't have got a cheque as I believe Google indictated no VAT number no cheque.

I would bank the cheque and wait a while.

1:50 pm on Dec 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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AWA,

I certainly didn't get an e-mail to let me know the cheque was coming. In fact if I hadn't of read about it on this forum, I would have been very surprised to see a cheque from Google.

johnhh,

I'm surprised as well. I can't remember exactly what happened, but one day adwords asked me whether I used adwords for business or personal use. I use it for business, but am not VAT registered. It never said anything about VAT, except for the box, which I left blank as I don't have a number.

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chodges84

Without a valid VAT number in theory Google must charge you VAT as a "normal" consumer rather than a business.

If you spend a lot with Google it may be worth being VAT registered , you can register for VAT at any time on any turnover. The turnover limits are for when you MUST be VAT registered.

You then get VAT back on all VAT rated supplies, like that really nice server you have probably being promising yourself!

12:38 pm on Dec 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I have also received the refund dispite not naming a VAT number. I do use AdWords as a self-employed venture but am not VAT registered. I undersood that this meant that I would be responsible to delcaring VAT returns and that Google would no longer perform this task on my behalf.

I don't believe that Google have made a mistake on this, but have banked the cheques pretty quick anyhow!

Echoing previous comments, I also most definately did not receive email notifications regarding the payments and still find it impossible to reconcile the refunds against accounts. Appears very ill thought through for Google.

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kmander,

that means that we aren't paying VAT, which in theory sounds Very nice, but I'm not sure the VAT man and his 'big book of fines' will agree.

johnhh,

I am nearing the threshold, but am now doing my best to stay UNDER it. I worked it out, and with what I claim back, About 10% of turnover will go to the VAT man. If I only just hit the threshold, I'll be paying an extra 6000 a year in taxes. If I stay under it, even by a few hundred pounds, I won't have to pay anything to the VAT man.

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I'm also confused on this - surely a mistake being made by Google.

I am VAT registered but only became VAT registered in May (since that's when I passed the VAT threshold). Since May, Google have stopped charging me VAT on their invoices.

However, I've today been notified that they're "refunding" me a large sum, which relates to VAT payments. This can only possibly relate to pre-May (ie before I was VAT registered and before I entered a VAT number on adwords).

Something very wrong here I think.

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To add further, it is also the case that I currently do not pay VAT despite not entering in a VAT number, nor have I paid it since the the email went out about the Google error. Thus, if you stipulate that you use for the account for business purposes it is not required for you to prove it any way or disclose a VAT number.
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*bump*

AWA, any news on this?

I'm talking about the situation where a non-VAT-registered business has received a VAT refund from Google. What's the story?

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Thus, if you stipulate that you use the account for business purposes it is not required for you to prove it any way or disclose a VAT number.

Yeah that's whats happened. I can't beleive that Google could get something like this wrong.

Looking back at it, I should have chosen 'Personal Account' in order to pay the correct VAT. However i DO NOT use the account for personal use, its for business, and Google should have asked me for a VAT number for the refund, or carried on charging me VAT.

AWA, if you're about, do you happen to have any updates?

6:49 pm on Jan 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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AWA or anyone
Got my cheque payable to the website name and not mine.
Who where what do I get this resolved with?

The bank won't except it:(

7:38 pm on Jan 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Contact adwords supports and tell them the problem. They should ask you to update your contact details and let them know when its done. From memory you need to change the 'company name' field to your own name.

A new cheque should be with you 4 weeks.