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Inactive but getting traffic

which is a good thing since i pay the price i wont to.

         

OddDog

10:00 pm on Sep 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I wish to purchase WIDGET.

I get a 4.2% CTR this month average.

But I am asked to pay 0.09 cents. Not profitable for this word. So I lower my offer to 0.05 adn get impresions and clicks.

If i up my offer to 0.06 will my ad get more impressions as i get closer to the officicial active minimum bid?

anyone have experience with this?

ronmcd

10:42 pm on Sep 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I dont think so.

I think if you leave your max cpc below googles minimum you will only get impressions and clicks for a day or two, google is just testing your ad performance with a few impressions, the traffic will stop unless you meet their minimum.

toddb

11:11 pm on Sep 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Earlier this system would drop and meett your bid. Now it just tests you and more then likely finds you wanting.

ember

11:27 pm on Sep 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

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We actually have a few keywords that do not meet the minimum price (because it is outrageous), are therefore "inactive" and continue to receive traffic, although not a lot. We're being charged the maximum we set, which is below Google's minimum.

inbound

11:32 pm on Sep 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I would wait as I suspect you will be pleased shortly. Inactives that I would not go above 10c for have gone active (down to 100 from 300 in a 30,000 term campaign), many are now costing as low as 4c, they took their time to activate though as they are low volume.

If you have good CTR then I'd say the algo will see sense, 4.2%@5c = $2.10 CPM - certainly not great but well above the $1 CPM minimum that they are using for the CPM site ads.

SFReader

1:16 pm on Sep 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Inbound, please tell me more about "costing as low as 4c."

I have been seeing some keywords with minimum bid set at 5 cents being charged less than the minumum and thought it was a bug.

Keith

SFReader

4:21 pm on Sep 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Ok, just answered my own question. I see that bids under 5 cents are now permitted.

When did this happen?

inbound

4:40 pm on Sep 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Read back in this forum and you will see a flurry of posts a few weeks ago. That's when it all changed. (I feel like I haven't slept since then so I can't recall the date)

arinick

7:08 pm on Sep 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

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eWhisper started a thread on this topic very soon after the change:

Does in trial still exist? [webmasterworld.com]

In it he speculated that the 'In Trial' keyword state may in fact still exist (behind the scenes). If it is true, that would certainly explain your experience.

OddDog

9:11 am on Sep 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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ok i can see others have had similar experiences but what about the question

if i up my offer will my ad get more impressions as i get closer to the officicial active minimum bid?

anyone with experience on this one?

eWhisper

12:47 pm on Sep 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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It's a great question.
I have no idea what the answer is.

The only correlation I've found to 'inactive keywords' receiving clicks and impressions are when there aren't a lot of advertisers (seems less than 3-5 is a magic number).

Of course, that's observation only, and not any kind of real number.

I have noticed that in some instances where a keyword had a 2%+ CTR, less than 3-5 advertisers, and a minimum bid over $1, that the minimum bids seem to be coming down over time without having to change the max bid at all.

OddDog

2:15 pm on Sep 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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thanks for your input eWhisper,

my example is way under your 1 USD.

But in active mode generates about 3,000 daily clicks to the landing page.

As unactive I am getting approx 200 daily clicks and am at 0.05 cents rather than the minimum 0.09 cents. I am paying the 0.05 unactive price thatr have established.

It will be interesting to see the imàct of increasing my minimum bid to 0.06.

Guess I will have to pay to play!

BuT i had been hoping learn from some else :)

netmeg

2:57 pm on Sep 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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You might not be charged the minimum anyway. I had several words where it told me to raise them from five cents to ten cents minimum, which I did, but I'm *still* only being charged four cents per.

AdWordsAdvisor

12:44 am on Sep 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

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After a week off, I have a lot of catching up to do! I'm just passing through for the first time today, and have time for a just few very brief posts...

To speak to the essential issue being discussed here, I wanted to mention that it's an expected behavior for inactive keywords to run occasionally. There's even a note about it just below the keyword list, at the Ad Group level of one's account.

Excerpting the pertinent info from that note:

...Inactive keywords don't have a high enough Quality Score and Max CPC to trigger ads. These keywords may occasionally accrue clicks as we re-assess their quality.

AWA

toddb

1:35 am on Sep 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Do to the ten cent increments is not common to be rounded up. So if the minimum is .20 and you meet that and it was rounded up form .11 do you pay .11 or .20?

I just had a word with 4% CTR in the third spot go inactive. i thought it was golden but htey want double the money. I am willing to thow the .01 not the .10. I knwo just try it. :)

OddDog

8:48 am on Sep 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Hi AWA,

welcome back, hope your hols treated you well ...

I am definately NOT complaining about inactive words getting impressions and clicks at the price i am willing to pay for.

I suspect that as eWhisper stated, this has to do with words that have few bidders, and that the volume of searchers using the term cause the system to check its quality score every so often.

OddDog

9:42 am on Sep 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

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just to inform i have increased my minimum bid to 0.06 from 0.05.

will inform overhte next coule of days if this increases the number of impressions.

eWhisper

10:17 pm on Sep 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

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You're right, there is a small disclaimer below the keywords, I've not noticed that before (it's pretty small).

I think some of the confusion stems from this faq:
[adwords.google.com...]

If your keyword or Ad Group's maximum cost-per-click (CPC) meets the minimum bid, your keyword will be active and trigger ads. If it doesn't, your keyword will be inactive and not trigger ads.

which doesn't address the ads occasionally showing at all on that page and seems very clear cut that ads are on or off, not anything inbetween.

Thanks for having the image fixed on the secure FAQ pages, much appreciated

AdWordsAdvisor

11:56 pm on Sep 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I think some of the confusion stems from this faq:
[adwords.google.com...]

Point well taken eWhisper, and I'll pass that on to the writing team. Thanks!

AWA

arinick

11:57 pm on Sep 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Count me with the rest of us that never noticed the fine print. Thanks, AWA.

I think a lot of this could have been avoided by having used a term other than 'disabled'. How about 'inactive'? Google changed the working definition of the word 'disabled', more or less--- which is always confusing.

OddDog

6:44 am on Sep 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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go the data from the one cent increase in my minimum bid.

It did increase the number of impressions, and clicks.

What might be happening is that as my bid gets closer to the minimum bid to activate the checking of the quality score happens more often. Or As the gap between my bid and the required minimum bid is reduced the qualty score goes up, allowing more impressions of my ad, but enough to get to the desired QS.?

Anyone make sense out of this?