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how many ads do you create

for each ad group?

         

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4:21 pm on Mar 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I just started a few new campaigns and for some I created 1 ad, and others I created as many as 7 ads.

On average, how many ads do you create for each group? How often do you erase and create new ads?

Frequent

4:37 pm on Mar 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

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At least 4, at most 8 to start out. Then I drop the worst performing ad each week until I'm down to 2. Once I'm down to the two best performers I add two new ones based on the best performers. Repeat.

Freq---

chiron

2:32 am on Mar 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I think that's great advice, especially if you have time to be that hands-on. If you are really short on time, as I often am, try 3 fairly different ads, wait a week or two (depends on how many impressions and click-throughs you get) and crop to the top performer, then perhaps tweak it a little if you saw other signs to consider making it better.

Marty_Foley

2:47 am on Mar 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I use 18 test ads per ad group, through a new tool called Adwords Maximizer.

This approach is based on the Taguchi approach to multi-variate testing, also known as MVT.

You'll likely hear a lot more about this breakthrough ad testing approach in the future, because running these specially designed 18 ads is equivalent to running as many as over 4,300 separate A/B split tests.

Imagine how long it would take you to run over 4,300 separate A/B split tests!

With this scientifically proven approach to testing many variables at once, you only need a relatively small number of responses to achieve significant response increases.

Marty Foley

inasisi

5:03 am on Mar 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Marty,

Why such blatant self promotion. Have you not read the TOS of this website? If you have read the TOS, then atleast you could have tried to use a different user name from the name you have used on your site. Just wait for the Mods to delete your entry.

Marty_Foley

5:33 am on Mar 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

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My apologies; I understood that including a URL in a post would be against the TOS, so I didn't.

If my post is otherwise considered self-promotional by a moderator, I apologize, stand corrected, and welcome editing by a moderator.

However, my recommendation of using multi-variate testing with Adwords still stands. Anyone who isn't leaving a lot of money on the table.

Marty Foley

P.S. Thanks for the suggestion to post under a different username to try to get around the TOS, but that's not something I'm comfortable with.

inasisi

4:28 pm on Mar 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Marty, I was being sarcastic when I said about writing under a different name. If your real purpose was to educate the other forum members, you should not have promoted your product. Anyways.....

Marty_Foley

8:30 pm on Mar 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I've apologized, thou self-appointed moderator. What more doest thou want?

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2:03 pm on Mar 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

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ok, back to the real topic...

I like the idea of modifying ads every week or so and deleting the ones that don't perform.

What I am trying to do is avoid showing the same thing with each impression so that visitors won't get tired of it, but at the same time, I want them to start to recognize my name and associate it with the service I provide.

So far my groups with 2 ads are showing 50% of the clicks for each ad. The groups with more ads start to show a separation in ad performance, but not by much, maybe I'll give it a few more days before I edit and delete.

Marty_Foley

2:46 pm on Mar 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

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> What I am trying to do is avoid showing the same thing with each impression so that visitors won't get tired of it, but at the same time, I want them to start to recognize my name and associate it with the service I provide. <

The vast majority of your visitors will not be repeat ones, so you needn't worry about them getting tired of your ads.

Fact is, advertisers tire of their own ads long before the public does, and often pull winning ads prematurely in favor of less effective ones.

Aside from "brand recognition," which is ambiguous at best, is one goal of your ads also to generate sales, leads, or some other sort of measurable conversion?

It's far better to determine the success of ads based on profitability, and maximize their return (as well as to keep testing new versions to beat your winning "control").

Marty Foley

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3:04 pm on Mar 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

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It's a service that I am advertising so leads are what I'm going for.

I have to disagree a little on the name recognition though, in my market there are very few names that are well known and there is a lot of business from word of mouth. So although I am looking for leads, if I can get my name around enough, it may get me that lead with a big mouth that I'm looking for. ;o)

Marty_Foley

6:31 pm on Mar 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

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> I have to disagree a little on the name recognition though, in my market there are very few names that are well known and there is a lot of business from word of mouth. So although I am looking for leads, if I can get my name around enough, it may get me that lead with a big mouth that I'm looking for. ;o) <

Since you can't measure "name recognition" from one ad to another, then it doesn't really matter which ad you run, as long as it has your "name" in it. :-)