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Anyone ever seen Adwords that appear on the top like a normal SERP?

I just found one.

         

rfgdxm1

1:02 am on Mar 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I just happened to run a Google search on something. The #1 result is an Adword which looks like a normal SERP result. It is shaded light blue like the Adwords that also appear to the right. However, someone not looking closely may not realize this is an ad. Even stranger, if I keep clicking refresh the pastel colors keep changing.

JayC

1:07 am on Mar 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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You mean other than the usual "Premium Sponsorship" ads that appear at the top, on a colored background and with the "Sponsored Link" text on the right?

Those are the only things I've seen at the top at Google.

[Added]And yes, the background colors on those change if you reload the page. Sounds like that's what you're seeing.

Like this? [google.com...]

rfgdxm1

1:11 am on Mar 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Yes. It says "Sponsored Link" way to the far right in light gray, so most will never notice that. I've never seen this species of Adword before.

Added: Yep, JayC that's the critter.

[edited by: rfgdxm1 at 1:18 am (utc) on Mar. 21, 2003]

JayC

1:13 am on Mar 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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They're the CPM "premium" listings. But sometimes regular AdWords do get "promoted" there.

rfgdxm1

1:19 am on Mar 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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OK. Very deceptive how Google is doing this. Easy to confuse with regular SERPs.

mrguy

1:35 am on Mar 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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What's so deceptive about it?

They are plainly sepatated from the rest of the SERPS by colored bars and I've never seen more than 2 at a time.

I've been seeing these for quite a while.

TheDave

2:05 am on Mar 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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If you pop in to the AdWords forum and do a search for going north, you'll find out how you can get your AdWords to show up in the premium sponsorship spot. I love it ;)

rfgdxm1

2:19 am on Mar 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>What's so deceptive about it?

I find the colored bar deceptive. Barely distiguishable from the ordinary SERPs. Looks to me Google did this precisely to make these not stand out.

vibgyor79

3:11 pm on Mar 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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rfgdxm1: I am surprised you found it now! It has been around for almost an year now.

le_gber

3:26 pm on Mar 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Barely distiguishable from the ordinary SERPs

to me (and to a lot of people) it looks like a banner, I don't even see them anymore when I look at the SERP.

leo

Shak

3:28 pm on Mar 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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rfgdxm1

You are playing a joke for 1st April 2003, yes?

Shak

vitaplease

3:39 pm on Mar 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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google premium listings dancing the fine line:

[webmasterworld.com...]

If you work on a laptop, depending on resolutions and sunlight reflections, sometimes its really hard to distinguish.

Rhadamanthus

4:47 pm on Mar 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I have actually seen this behaviour for one of my own ads (regular AdWords ad, not premium ad), but only under one specific condition. During the day or two when my site was actually in Google's index (thanks to the everflux), it was #1 on a very specific keyword phrase, which I also happen to be advertising under at the moment. Currently, my site should be number one for that keyword phrase once it's indexed for real, and I see very little reason for that to ever change. On that search, I actually saw my own ad end up at the top of the page like what you're talking about.

I'm actually a little bit annoyed by this. If I'm showing up #1 on the SERP, the only reason Google could have for putting my ad at the top of the page is to get people to click it instead of the SERPs. Why would Google want to do this? Because they make money if somebody clicks my ad, but don't if they click the SERP. So I may get charged a click-through fee for somebody who would've just clicked in for free anyways. Very frustrating.

SlyOldDog

4:57 pm on Mar 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I guess you only make non-commercial searches Rfg?

These sponsored listings are not visible for non-commercial terms

rfgdxm1

5:09 pm on Mar 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>I guess you only make non-commercial searches Rxd?

Rarely. However, I've seen lots of Adwords before. It seems that these deceptive premium listings tend to appear on the more obvious commercial commercial search terms. From that link by vitaplease, I see this issue of deceptive advertising by Google has been brought up before.

Just Guessing

5:09 pm on Mar 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Google regularly promote the top two AdWords to the premium spot if those AdWords have a good Click Through Rate and nobody is paying for the premium spot. Click throughs are higher in the premium spot, so Google make more revenue.

TheRealTerry

9:52 pm on Mar 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I'm also of the mind that some people filter those out. Maybe it's my trained eyes, but I know where the SERPs start and I go directly to them without a thought of those sponsored links. I'm more inclined to read the regular AdWord tiles as they sit at the end of the SERPs as I read the descriptions left to right.

I think the laptop contrast could play a part in making them seem more SERP-like, but for normal viewing they look like banner ads, which most people mentally filter by now I would think.

rfgdxm1

9:57 pm on Mar 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>I'm also of the mind that some people filter those out. Maybe it's my trained eyes, but I know where the SERPs start and I go directly to them without a thought of those sponsored links.

I think it is your trained eyes. Looks to me Google had done this in a way to deceive the untrained eyes.

mrguy

10:22 pm on Mar 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Out of all the engines, they do the best job of separating sponsor listings from free listings.

Most the other engines plaster the first half of the page with sponsor matches.

BigDave

10:52 pm on Mar 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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What sort of monitor are you using LCD or CRT? How many colors do you have selected? Is the brightness set at a medium setting or do you have it cranked all the way up? Do you have any issues of color blindness?

I find the pastels that they use to be very obvious. But if I crank up the brightness like my mom does, they almost disappear.

My girlfriends laptop doesn't have adjustable brightness and they are always washed out.

One of my old laptops just has a very small color selection, and they do not show up well.

If they go with a more noticable color for these cases, I would become distracting on those monitors that handle color well.

I don't think they are doing it to be deceptive. The color is only in addition to the "Sponsored Link" message. I do think that there might be additional things that they might be able to do to make it clearer for those of you that are having problems with your displays. But don't ask me what they should do, because the current system works for me.

rfgdxm1

10:58 pm on Mar 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Google could put a big "SPONSORED LINK:" above these Adwords, rather than try to hide it small and off to the right in gray text. Looks like an intentional attempt at deception to me.

BigDave

11:19 pm on Mar 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Seriously rfgdxm1, I would be interested in the answers to my questions. Do you have acces to a computer with a CRT monitor that you can set to a reasonable setting on it's brightness and see if you still think it is hidden?

I think those ads take up more than enough of my screen. I do not want them to move the real SERPS further down by adding a big SPONSORED LINK above them. I would rather find out what is broken about the current version that is incredibly obvious to me.

rfgdxm1

11:28 pm on Mar 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>Seriously rfgdxm1, I would be interested in the answers to my questions. Do you have acces to a computer with a CRT monitor that you can set to a reasonable setting on it's brightness and see if you still think it is hidden?

I am viewing this on a modern, high quality monitor at normal settings. I can definitely see the pastel background. However, in my mind that doesn't mean "this is an ad". Now if they had a big "SPONSORED LINKS" above these, and they were clearly set apart from the normal SERPs, that would be OK. The way Google has done this in my mind seems that it was intentional trickery and deception on their part. Sure, fool me once shame on you; fool me twice shame on me. However, that Google has taken the low road doesn't make me think well about them. What is incredibly obvious to you is to me a sneaky, dishonest attempt by Google to make an ad appear like a normal search result.

mrguy

11:56 pm on Mar 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Wow!

I think somebody here is just looking for something to complain about.

rfgdxm1

12:02 am on Mar 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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No. The traditional Adwords off to the right were clearly separate from the normal SERPs, and could not be confused with them. I have no problem at all with those. This is Google trying to disguise ads now as regular search results.

mrguy

12:11 am on Mar 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I rest my case!

TheDave

2:54 am on Mar 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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rfg, it doesn't cost much to get your add to appear there if you are smart about it. I think you're barking up the wrong tree if you think they will be changed.

rfgdxm1

3:19 am on Mar 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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My sites are totally non-commercial, and I have never seen, nor expect to see, any SERP my sites would come up where this is relevant. It just looks to me that Google has sold out, and is taking the low road through deception.

SlyOldDog

6:39 pm on Mar 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Actually, it's definately deception. Why else would Google ask you for the "display URL" when you create the ad? It's obviously designed to look like a SERP and not an ad.

But then again RFG, they are extremely targeted ads, so I don't see it as a big problem. Much successful advertising masquerades as something else in any medium.

bigace

8:34 am on Mar 25, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Just my 2cents worth.

Since Google started using the sponsored ads above the search results I have noticed two things.

1.) In those results where my sites are in the 1st or 2nd position on the page, There has been very little change in the click throughs.

2.) Any SERP position lower on the page has shown a significant loss of traffic.

Perhaps this is because the results have been moved down to provide room for the Sponsored ads and to see the results below the first two requires scrolling, at least on many monitors.