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How to lose business and get $5000 debt in one day

         

MaxP

10:30 pm on Oct 31, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Hello.

It's a terrible day. Really terrible.

The fortune has a sense of humour: business of a guy who referred more than 150 people to AdWords, who volunteered for more than 1,5 years to help large community of software developers to effectively use AdWords became ruined in one day by AdWords itself. This shot killed not only mine business, but great plenty of time of 500 people, who are forced to spend their time not with their families, children and friends, but entering/copying data from the Keyword Sandbox manually.

The software which was rated by its users as "fantastic", "best", "brillant" has just became obsolete as the result of a single exact shot: Google has closed public access to Keyword Sandbox. It was the only software that actually used the data from this tool, and it was the main reason of its success. All other features, like Google AdWords report analyzer, log file analyzer and conversion tracker have became the weapons on the tank without the wheels.

It's the cry for help to AdWordsAdvisor: please, unlock the Keyword Sandbox.

Best regards, Max.
PS: Hope I'm the only one who will lose the business and get more than $5000 debt in one day because of this fact.

SlyOldDog

11:33 pm on Oct 31, 2004 (gmt 0)

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What has been switched off? You mean the keyword suggestion tool?

Works fine for me.

PatrickDeese

11:55 pm on Oct 31, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I would assume that the poster is referring to some sort of tool that did automated queries to the adwords sandbox, which now seems to require an adwords account login before being accessed.

I noticed that it stopped allowing "anonymous" access earlier today.

FromRocky

1:31 am on Nov 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I always use the keyword suggestion tool for my AdWords. The first time i used the Adwords sandbox was last Thursday and the account login was required. I actually didn't like it. The ad position of some competitive keywords never passed 6 although there are over 50 ads for these keywords. The daily clicks are in a step function. The keyword suggestion tool is much more better.

My point is the login to access the sandbox was required on Thursday or earlier.

skibum

2:38 am on Nov 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

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OUCH

vibgyor79

3:33 pm on Nov 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Musings of a non-technical brain -

- Create a dummy Google AdWords account and get an username/password

- If you want to access the keyword suggestion tool from outside, set a "cookie" (?!?) on the client computer with the AdWords username/password information.

- Fool the keyword suggestion tool into believing that the client computer has logged into an AdWords account (with the help of the "cookie")

Just thinking out aloud..

But er.. if Google doesn't want you to access the tool from outside, perhaps its not a good idea to undermine the system.

mcavic

3:39 pm on Nov 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

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And perhaps it's not wise to build a business around doing automated queries on Adwords when Google has never liked that sort of thing.

PatrickDeese

3:53 pm on Nov 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

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> Create a dummy Google AdWords account and get an username/password

A dummy account with whose credit card?

Philosopher

3:57 pm on Nov 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

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If it will cost him $5k, I'm betting he could find one. ;)

vibgyor79

4:14 pm on Nov 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

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>>> A dummy account with whose credit card?

You don't need a credit card to get a working Google AdWords username/password.

MaxP

5:11 pm on Nov 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Thank you for the replies and advices. It's a great forum, and I really like the informative answers and great advices.

Sure, we have great programmers on board, but the problem is not in getting the second AdWords account and using it. We have already created "Virtual User" - module that emulates all type-ins and clicks regular user does when he uses AdWords. The problem is much more complex: we get "403 Forbidden" error when we try to make more than 20-30 requests, even using regular AdWords customer account. Google locks access to Keyword Sandbox for about 30-40 minutes after this message.

We have already wrote to Google AdWords support team with the questions regarding it, however we still get no answers at all (more than 10 hours passed). It was the second letter regarding this problem - after we wrote the first letter we got the standard response: "What operating system do you use, what's your IP, etc.". They even don't read our questions! It was Google UK support.

The Google Keyword Sandbox is not vital to us now, because we have already found the way to get the list of similar keywords from other sources. The only feature we miss is the list of misspelled keywords. It's not hard to replace, too.

I see that situation is not only in "automated queries". Overture allows everybody to use its Keyword Suggestion Tool and it doesn't make it any harm. Moreover, many people use Overture to promote THEIR services, not Overture. I don't used Keyword Sandbox in the way that makes no good to Google.

Moreover, I contacted Google AdWords support PRIOR to writing a single line of code and got a positive response: "Your system is allowed to use Keyword Sandbox, if it helps our customers to advertise better". 4 months passed, and I need to spend and lose money again, because they changed their minds.

Sure, we will find the ways to make our software usable. But it will cost us real money and lost nerves. Next time I will prefer not to rely on anybody's promises. It was my fault, and I hope that it's the fault of me only.

The next version of our software will be available on the 10th of November, and it will contain no single line of code that relies solely on Google.

Best regards, Max.

instinct

5:49 pm on Nov 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Just a thought -

Maybe there is a limit to the frequency of requests you are allowed?

Your automated script might be setting off a trigger (hence the 30 minute lockout) by performing too many queries, in too short a time. Try adding a 'delay' after each request.

Tom_Dalton

6:06 pm on Nov 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Anyone else have experience writing scripts to read data from the search engines? Seems to me, they make their whole living off reading our sites -- shouldn't be too much of a stretch to imagine them allowing others to do the same to them (within reason).

The idea of putting in a delay sounds fair. And the SE's coming back with some specific rules about how often/how much programs (or just very dedicated human researchers) can use the services.

A lot of 'public services' have language in their ToS that restricts "any automated processes, robots, or non-human browsers" -- but that's a bit vague. What if I write a new browser, for instance, that will queue up searches that I want to run?

All of that said, basing a business around something another company offers as a free public service seems a bit like building a house upon the sand.

Sanenet

6:25 pm on Nov 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Why not just use the google apis for the misspellings?

chrisk999

2:36 am on Nov 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

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[google.com...] still seems to be working for me...