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Disabled Keywords

Won't they give me a chance?

         

w_s_o

4:30 am on Oct 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I started a campaign and like a newbie, I made it too broad. I had a bunch of key words with just one general ad. Naturally, some keywords underachieved quickly and were disabled.

So I read the FAQs and posts on this board and broke the words in to several subgroups, created new ads that were more targeted and contained more keywords in the text. I turned off the old Ad Group and created new groups for these new ads. The turnaround was great. Nearly all my keywords are getting strong CTRs.

Unfortunately, some of them have been disabled again regardless. One has had a 1.9% CTR in the 265 impressions since I created the new ad group. There's only one other ad for that word (Carl Jung) so it's not like there's a bunch of competition that Google can't afford to have my ad there.

The FAQs say that the words get disabled with a 0.5% CTR after 1000 impressions. They say that if it is disabled, to refine it. So why do they then disable with 1.9% and less than 300 impressions? In fact, another word was disabled after 46. A third was disabled after zero impressions!

Why do they have us go through all of those FAQs if they don't mean anything. I know that some of this is venting, but I'm hoping AdWords Advisor can help, or one of you has been through this too and knows what I might have left out.

james_allot

7:26 am on Oct 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Why don't you mail the Google adwords team about that?

cb750k1

1:13 pm on Oct 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I have a Keyword with EXACTLY a 1.9% CTR that just got disabled. It had an "All Time" CTR of 1.5% and yesterday
it got 25 clicks from 1299 impressions. (1.9%)

Just placed an E-mail to Adwords support asking for an explanation. I wonder how long a wait that will be.

w_s_o

1:27 pm on Oct 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Yes, I did e-mail the support team and am waiting for a reply. I went through a similar situation a few months ago, where words got disabled (prior to any revision) after just over 500 impressions (and greater than 0.5%) and only got a form letter reply that basically said "those numbers are just guidelines," so I'm not exactly optimistic.

90% of my Adwords experience has been very good. But this keyword disablement stuff is really starting to leave a bad taste in my mouth.

eWhisper

1:30 pm on Oct 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

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1. Did you delete the keywords, or just the groups when you reorganized your account:
[webmasterworld.com...] post 4.

2. Does that keyword appear somewhere else in your account? If so, its possible that your keyword is getting more impressions than you think.

3. Don't forget, the CTR used for calculating CTR/keyword status is Google only. If you have a 0.01% on Google and a 5% on AOL - your keywords may be disabled.

w_s_o

1:53 pm on Oct 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Thanks ewhisper, Google gave me that part about them only considering the Google search results. I knew that, but found it interesting that they were saying that could by why it got disabled. They don't provide Content results to a keyword level, so the CTR I quote them is Google only. It is the only CTR I CAN quote them.

I just deleted the original groups, not each individual word. Basically, I just started over. Is there a better way to do that?

cb750k1

2:25 pm on Oct 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Good ideas, eWhisper.

I went back into my campaign to check them out, but in my case.
1) I am NOT running Content ads
2) I have only 1 occurance of the keyword.

Any other ideas would be appreciated

RedWolf

2:53 pm on Oct 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

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You might not be running content, but are you running the search network? Search network is AOL, and all the other partner sites that deliver search results from Google. The only way to find out what your Google CTR is to disable the search network so that your ad only appears on Google itself.

Personally I think that Google show do away with the stupid Strong, Moderate, At Risk field that is our only indicator of how a keyword is doing on Google and just tell us the real Google CTR as well as the total CTR for all searches.

Also to w_s_o, you need to go into those deleted adgroups and delete the keywords themselves so they are not counted in the rest of your account.

HitProf

4:25 pm on Oct 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

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You should delete all those keywords individually, as AWA explained. Then give each of those troublesome keywords their own ad group. I'm not sure how much time should pass between deletion and new group. (Seconds? a day? more?)

AdWordsAdvisor

5:40 pm on Oct 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I'm not sure how much time should pass between deletion and new group. (Seconds? a day? more?)

The time between deleting, and then creating a new Ad Group, is not an issue.

No need to wait. ;)

AWA

w_s_o

7:07 pm on Oct 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

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AWA, can you provide some insight as to why words are disabled after so few impressions?

AdWordsAdvisor

7:21 pm on Oct 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

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AWA, can you provide some insight as to why words are disabled after so few impressions?

Actually, I think that eWhisper, RedWolf and HitProf have already correctly answered this question - at least based on the limited details available to us in this Forum.

Basically, when you re-use a keyword that has been disabled you must first delete the keyword in every single place it has occurred in your entire account - even if that is within a paused or deleted campaign or Ad Group.

If you don't do this, then the re-entered keyword will be disabled again rather quickly. Why? Well, in the eyes of the AdWords system, it is still 'active', and therefore still disabled.

So, short story: make sure you delete your disabled keywords, everywhere, before trying to use them again.

BTW, in my opinion, it is a very good practice to delete any disabled keyword, as soon as you see it, regardless of if you intend to re-use it again or not. It is simply 'good housekeeping', and may prevent a search through an entire account, in case you do decide to re-use a word at a much later date.

AWA

eWhisper

7:40 pm on Oct 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

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One of the 'best practice solutions' (to borrow a term from my SEO people), is to run a keyword report just for diapproved, slowed, and disabled keywords on a regular basis.

In large accounts, it's easy to overlook one keyword, and these reports make it easy to keep on top with what isn't currently running.

w_s_o

9:08 pm on Oct 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Great help you guys, thanks so much! Valuable lessons indeed.

DamonHD

9:34 pm on Oct 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Hi Y'All (including AWA!),

I've just zapped a keyword because it was marked at "At Risk" with ~500 impressions on the day and showing a CTR of > 1.7%.

I *assume* therefore that (a) previous days' behaviour (>1000 impressions) is taken into account and (b) it must have had a terrible CTR on Google search only and a great one on content.

With reference to another thread, could we have a button/option to view CTR (etc) split by search/content and/or even better the facility to run keywords only on the side where they work if there is a disparity like this?

Rgds

DHD

james_allot

10:25 am on Oct 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Personally I think that Google show do away with the stupid Strong, Moderate, At Risk field that is our only indicator of how a keyword is doing on Google and just tell us the real Google CTR as well as the total CTR for all searches.

I agree with that. Or at least they should consider the coversion rates before disabling the keyword.