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200 clicks from the same ip over the weekend

not all filtered by google

         

Sweezely

1:35 pm on Oct 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Title says it all really. The clicks occur on average about once every 30 minutes, and have been occuring regularly since Saturday. All from the same IP, all on the same keyword, no referal. I've sent details to google, waiting for a reply.

Google filtered some out but we've still been charged for ~40 clicks, and no one else has clicked on that keyword so all of the clicks are coming from this one ip. I've had to delete the offending keyword because it's still happening. I didn't want to do this beacause the keyword will return a lot of traffic, but it's costing us money.

Is this click fraud (probably a really dumb question), or has someone set the page to automatically reload or something like that (unlikely, because the clicks have been happening 24 hours a day)?

keywordguru

3:00 pm on Oct 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Well I find it odd that google hasn't already filtered it out after that many clicks!

It is sad to say, but fraud lurkes for many reasons within PPC networks. Not only do your competitors click your ads, adsense earners also click too. So with that, be sure to do your fair share of testing between including your ads in the search networks, as well as teh content areas. Not to mention the location breakdown. Sometimes displaying your ad in all countries isn't the best of things.

There is a software/service out there that helps deter people from clicking. It tracks ip's and then after a set number, will actually pop up a different screen saying they have been tracked clicking more than a set amount of times. It truly looks helpful.
Due to good old webmasterworld rules, a url can't be placed. So do a little research and you will find it.
KG

dankin

3:16 pm on Oct 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

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perhaps you should wait for google's reply before getting your knickers in a twist.

AdWordsAdvisor

4:11 pm on Oct 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

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There is a software/service out there that helps deter people from clicking. It tracks ip's and then after a set number, will actually pop up a different screen saying they have been tracked clicking more than a set amount of times. It truly looks helpful.

One quick, but potentially important, note about the above:

There is the possibility that one may alienate legitimate potential customers with such a pop up. Please keep in mind that, for example, all of AOL users will be coming from a very limited range of IP addresses. I'm not aware of the exact numbers, but conservatively, hundreds of unique AOL users may be assigned the same IP address.

AWA

keywordguru

7:15 pm on Oct 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I agree with AWA, but if google is not catching these fraudulent clicks, it is better to loose a possible customer in hopes to save $40+ dollars in fake clicks.

I would not worry too much though, Google has always been pretty fair with my fraudulent click returns topping in the hundreds some weeks.

It usually isn't the same ip address clickers you have to worry about, it is the smart fraud clickers that change their IP address hopping from proxy server to proxy server each click every few minutes.
THAT is what google can't seem to catch.

KG

itisgene

9:31 pm on Oct 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Yeah...there was a guy who tried to threaten Google with a clicking software changing IP addresses, etc. He must be in jail by now... The copy of the program may still be out there clicking around our ads. Since we do not monitor the IP addresses as Sweezely does, we might be paying A LOT for those bogus clicks even now... I asked for a refund for over 4000 clicks a day from one keyword a while ago, since it was obvious abnomality. Otherwise you will never know...even Google.

keywordguru

10:29 pm on Oct 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Yes,
I remember that story. The guy supposedly planned a meeting with them and displayed how he was able to turn $2000+ a month from the fraudlent clicks.

They probably arrested him on the spot:)

KG

SlyOldDog

10:37 pm on Oct 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I see a common IP very often with many clicks originating from it.

When I do a reverse lookup it's nearly always a telco IP like Telefonica or something like that.

I think most cases like this are people on dial up and it's not click fraud at all.

powerstar

11:19 pm on Oct 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

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<<<<<I see a common IP very often with many clicks originating from it.
When I do a reverse lookup it's nearly always a telco IP like Telefonica or something like that.

I think most cases like this are people on dial up and it's not click fraud at all.>>>

200 clicks, one weekend, same keyword. All dial up come to the same site.....hard to belive...

Even AOL, all the same search... make sure they refund you.

I understand that it is in the best interest for Google to prevent those clicks but still...as long as they make money form all of this I wonder if their vision is clear some time. As long as it go their way they will fight it but not as hard as they should. I hope they do but I am not sure.

eyeinthesky

1:51 am on Oct 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Yah, got 250 fake clicks over the weekend all from Netscape Search.

It has happened before, I complained but Google has said there are legit. So I left it at that because they were like a few $.

But now, I'm going all out to get them to reverse the fake charges of $17

A sharp spike from 1 click per day for this kw to 250 clicks per day - all without a sale?

Funny, I would have thought they got the best anti-fraud click check around :(

powerstar

1:59 am on Oct 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

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<<<<Funny, I would have thought they got the best anti-fraud click check around :(

You are right, same IP over and over shouldn't be so difficult

Sweezely

7:36 am on Oct 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Well, Google replied this morning. Seems like they think it's fradulent too. At least we've hardly lost any money. The campaign was new so the cpc was still low, and Google did block *some* of the clicks, so what we lost was peanuts.

If you look at my logs, it's blantantly fraud, or someone who's seriously screwed up. Thanks very much for all your feedback though, I am quite new at this, and the advice I've found on these forums (or should that be fora?) has been very helpful.

lavaweb

5:30 pm on Oct 26, 2004 (gmt 0)



First off, I want to say that I love this site. Quick question though...

How are you guys tracking the IP's from the ad's listed on Google Adwords?

Thanks for helping a newbie

Sweezely

7:41 am on Oct 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Not sure if we're allowed to "advertise" what we use, but I use a little tool over at www.hypertracker.com

(I'll remove this if we're not allowed to disclose such info)

james_allot

2:54 pm on Oct 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Does anybody here knows a free software which detects fraudulent clicks? Or at least the website gives demo version so I get to know how good the software is before purchasing it.

eyeinthesky

11:07 pm on Oct 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Yah, got 250 fake clicks over the weekend all from Netscape Search.

An update. Just got a reply from "The Google Click Quality Team" and they agreed that there have been fake clicks so I got a credit.

Well done G!

andla

3:22 pm on Oct 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Hi,
Something to consider
How can Adwords filter out fraudulent clicks if the fraud clicker is behind for example AOL.

There should be an option to disable some IP adresses for such cases and disable non filtered addresses such as AOL.

What do you think?

/Andla

benevolent001

3:27 pm on Oct 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

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i too had the same problem a few days back,i emailed google and they just sent back me the details on there technology how they track illegal clicks,
all i have did is removed that state (new york) fully for about few days from my ad words campaign

google guys dont hear any thing in this regard try sending them IP log files to them and see what they relpy