Tips, resources, lists of useful phrases to surround keywords with?

[dylan212]

Hi

First, what do we call these surrounding terms? While spending countless hours developing keywords I have never known the proper term we call the phrases that surround our keywords and keyword phrases. For example what do we call the phrases in the parenthesis?

"buy a" red widget
"looking for a" red widget
"where can i find a" red widget
"how do i buy a" red widget

There must be SO many of these phrases that it would difficult for any 1 person to come up with 80% of them. So, is it appropriate if we shared our resources and offered tips, resources, or lists of the most useful phrases to surround our keywords with?

Anyone?

[edited by: rogerd at 2:43 pm (utc) on July 16, 2004]
[edit reason] No URLs, please... [/edit]

[brotherhood of LAN]

Look up something called syntactic chunking, it will do it automatically :)

Some natural language pattersn you can flip into a question.

What kinds of widgets are there?

Adjectives appearing just before widgets = a type of widget, i.e. red widget, small red widget etc. Run a parser over a couple hundred pages and you'll find all the variants of widget you'd ever need to know. worth a blast anyway :)

[dylan212]

Look up something called syntactic chunking, it will do it automatically

Thanks brotherhood of LAN

But I could not find anywhere that does this automatically. I only find lots of pdf docs and technical specs, etc... Do you know a specific site that helps?

cheers

[brotherhood of LAN]

You'll have to look around, also try a search for 'shallow parser', and all the variants, i.e. try download before it :)

I see on your site that you script, so make a script that parses HTML and feeds it to a shallow parser. It will "chunk" words together that are phrases, the one I use creates noun and verb chunks.

Have a look at this to see the kind of things you can do with the output. Using Partofspeech
Patterns to Reduce Query Ambiguity [scils.rutgers.edu]

Examples noun phrases from this thread:
- <NG>
<W C="JJ" T="w" S="Y">New</W>
<W C="NN" T="w" S="Y">User</W>
</NG>

i.e. What types of user are there? New

<W C="DT">the</W>
<W C="JJ">proper</W>
<W C="NN">term</W>

What types of term are there? proper

- <NG>
<W C="DT">a</W>
<W C="``">"</W>
<W C="JJ">red</W>
<W C="NN">widget</W>
</NG>

What types of widget are there? red

It could be really useful for this kind of thing, though as someone is no doubt thinking already, there are nice lists like overture, wor*dtracker etc that could save a lot of bother. It's pretty good to muck around with nonet the less ;)

[pmkpmk]

I'm in email contact with Steve Foley of hudsonscirpting for some time now. He seems to be an honest, straightforward guy - and a very helpful one too considering the weird suggestions and feature requests I made to him.

I see no harmful way he's competing against WW - on the contrary, his scripts are presented in a non-commercial no-strings-attached manner for the community to use.

He saved ME a lot of time and work, even though I in turn only made him work extra so far :-)

[pmkpmk]

*sigh* Too late.

[dylan212]

I see on your site that you script, so make a script that parses HTML and feeds it to a shallow parser. It will "chunk" words together that are phrases, the one I use creates noun and verb chunks.

That url I posted was not my site, just an example of a good script useful for joining keyword terms together. Unfortunately it was removed.

Anyway, I agree Overtuire and Wordtracker provide some good lists but they do not provide many of the phrases surrounding the keywords (ex. "where can i find"). I hope to be told otherwise :)