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When will adwords allow bid on the trademark keywords

         

happyallday

5:38 am on Jun 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

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anyone know when will google open that.
I find at overture the competition is too high, if you don't raise the price, your ad nearly have no chance to show

edit_g

5:51 am on Jun 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

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May 2004 in the US (so you should be able to now, I don't have any trademarked terms running in US campaigns, so I don't know for sure if it is rolling yet). The rest of the world - who knows - but they're planning on rolling it out.

Keep in mind that the reason Google is doing this (I guess) is that they're tired of being the middle-person in trademark disputes. It won't stop your competitor/supplier/whatever from taking you to court over trademark abuse or misleading customers.

skibum

5:58 am on Jun 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

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The ban does not seem to have been lifted in the US yet.

nyet

10:33 am on Jun 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I think it is possible now.

The TOS has different wording. I seem to remember wording about keyword removal before -- and that is gone.

[google.com ]

I don't think they would make a big deal about this policy change. I suspect it is in effect.

Does anyone remember the prior wording?

happyallday

6:08 pm on Jun 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

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google has stopped accept new trademark complaint, but don't know when will they open the trademark bidding

mquarles

6:58 pm on Jun 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

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The ban does not seem to have been lifted in the US yet.

I still get hit with it at least once or twice a week on new terms when I'm adding them.

MQ

AdWordsAdvisor

10:51 pm on Jun 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I hope that I can shed a little light on this topic.

google has stopped accept new trademark complaint, but don't know when will they open the trademark bidding

The new trademark policy is now fully implemented, and advertisers in the US and Canada may use 'trademarked' words as keywords. However, use of trademarked words in ad text can still be 'protected' by trademark owners.

Please note that there are different 'Complaint Procedures' (and therefore different types of protection available to the trademark owners) for those in the US and Canada, and those who are not. For details please follow the links below:

What is Google's trademark policy?
[adwords.google.com...]

Trademark Complaint Procedure – Trademark rights in US and Canada
[google.com...]

Trademark Complaint Procedure – Trademark rights outside US and Canada
[google.com...]

I still get hit with it at least once or twice a week on new terms when I'm adding them.

Mquarles, if you are in the US or Canada, then my best guess is that you're using 'Keyword Insertion' in the Ad Group in question. This would allow the trademark to appear in the ad itself, where it can still be 'protected' by the trademark owner. For this reason, in cases where Keyword Insertion is used, then trademarked names will be disapproved.

So you may want to consider separating out those trademarked words into another Ad Group in which Keyword Insertion is not used.

On the other hand if you are not in the US and Canada, then trademarked names can still be 'protected' when used as keywords as well.

Hope that makes things more clear.

AWA

edit_g

10:55 pm on Jun 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Thanks for clearing that up AWA! :)

cline

1:27 am on Jun 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I'm all in favor of seeing Google ease these restrictions; however, isn't it hypocritical of Google not to allow targeting of the term [google]? Similarly, isn't it hypocritical not to allow fair use of "google" in copy? For example, if one manages Google Adwords accounts, shouldn't one be allowed to advertise that using the word "google"?

AdWordsAdvisor

1:38 am on Jun 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

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...isn't it hypocritical of Google not to allow targeting of the term [google]?

Ahhh, well this has changed as well. It's OK to use 'Google' as a keyword, although not in ad text at present. So the same standards as for other trademark owners, I'm proud to say. ;)

AWA

AW_Learner

4:05 am on Jun 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I think it is just for companies trademarks that are a business within the United States or Canada. So it doesn't matter where you are or even if you choose to bid on the trademark word in every country they offer as long as the keyword is a trademark of a U.S. or Canadian based company. Correct?

mquarles

12:03 pm on Jun 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

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AWA,

Thanks for the real answers as always! I am in the U.S., but these were for Global, English-Language campaigns. Do you think that's the problem?

MQ

AdWordsAdvisor

6:33 pm on Jun 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

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...these were for Global, English-Language campaigns. Do you think that's the problem?

Yes, this is most likely the problem, mquarles. If you have your ads set to show to the entire world, then they'll be appearing in the US and Canada.

And if the ads can appear in the US and Canada, then trademarked keywords used in Ad Groups with keyword insertion will be disapproved. As mentioned above, this is because the trademarked words could show up in the ad copy itself.

AWA

cline

7:34 pm on Jun 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

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AWA, if "The new trademark policy is now fully implemented" how come I just got an email from Adwords saying:

Keyword Status: Suspended
Keyword Issue(s): Keyword trademark term

for terms I put in today because of your earlier post?

BTW, this ad group uses regional US targeting with static titles.

mquarles

7:39 pm on Jun 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I apologize, for it appears I wasn't clear. I thought the issue was with the ads showing outside of the U.S. and Canada.

Let me be more clear. Within the last week I have had terms disapproved because of trademark, and these were for ads with no keyword insertion, so the term would not appear in the ad. An example would be a well known four-letter computer manufacturer based in Austin, TX, or a well-known five-letter manufacturer of routing equipment and lots of other stuff whose name is occasionally confused with a large food service/products company.

The keywords were disapproved because of trademark issues, but the ads were allowed to run. Is it possible the message has not fully filtered down to the reviewers?

MQ

AdWordsAdvisor

12:11 am on Jun 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

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This topic can get a little complicated, and I'll post again tomorrow, hopefully with more clarity. First, though, I want to consult with the Trademark Team and see if I can't work out a more elegant way to explain a few of the nuances.

In the meantime, two points to keep in mind, though, when dealing with trademark disapprovals:

* Review and approval (or disapproval) is handled on a case by case basis, taking into account the factors that pertain to that particular case. This includes the targeting of the Campaign, and where in the world (literally) trademark rights exist for the keywords in question. (This can vary from trademarked keyword to keyword, and is one of the nuances I was referring to above.)

* However, it is still possible for mistakes to be made - perhaps even more so with a new policy. So, if you feel that a mistake has been made, then I'd suggest replying directly to the disapproval email, and request that the case be reviewed by the trademark team. This will cause it to be reviewed by the very folks that set the policy.

More tomorrow.

AWA

AdWordsAdvisor

1:41 am on Jun 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I'm sorry to say that I haven't been able to meet with expert I had in mind yet. It's been kind of a non-stop day.

I'll try again tomorrow.

In the meantime, mquarles and cline, I hope you have contacted AdWords support regarding your specific disapprovals. There are enough variables in play that these sorts of questions are best addressed after a look at the actual account.

More soon.

AWA

cline

1:14 pm on Jun 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

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As a follow up, Adwords support reviewed the case I mentioned above and cleared all the terms in question for advertising.

nyet

2:02 pm on Jun 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

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cline,

thanks for the useful update.....

AdWordsAdvisor

6:26 pm on Jun 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

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OK, back with some more info.

I think this is where I was not clear earlier:

It is not where the trademark owner (or advertiser) is based that matters - but in which countries the trademark owner has trademark rights.

Quoting from the Trademark Complaint Procedure (http://www.google.com/tm_complaint.html)

As a courtesy to trademark owners, however, we are willing to perform a limited investigation of reasonable complaints. Our procedure differs depending on the country in which trademark rights exist

A mini-summary of the policy:

If trademark owner has trademark rights in US and/or Canada: Trademark owner may request that trademark not appear in ad copy targeted to US and/or Canada. However, may not request that trademark be disallowed as keyword.

If Trademark owner has trademark rights (in some, or all) countries outside US and Canada: Trademark owner may request that trademark not appear in ad copy and/or as keywords in ads targeted to those countries in which trademark rights exist.

So it boils down to the following, as judged on a case-by-case basis:

* Where the trademark rights exist

* What the trademark owner has specifically requested, within their rights, and

* The targetting of the campaigns in which the ads appear.

Based on this, in cline's case I would have guessed that the problem would have been an error on our part, which evidently was the case. I am glad this is now resolved, and our apologies for the error cline.

In mquarles's case, since the ads were evidently targeted globally, it depends on where the trademark owner has rights. And this would need to be addressed based on an actual look at the keywords in question. So again, I'd promote the idea of responding to the disapproval email.

Hope this helps. As an aside I should mention that I'll be out of the office on Monday 6/28, and most likely will not be able to follow/post on WebmasterWorld till Tuesday.

AWA

mquarles

6:53 pm on Jun 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Thanks again AWA. That is the response I got after a couple of rounds back and forth. If I had limited my ads to US and Canada they would have been approved.

MQ

cline

8:49 pm on Jun 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Doesn't [adwords.google.com ] need updating?

When we receive a complaint from a trademark owner, our review is limited to ensuring that the advertisements at issue are not using the trademarked term as a keyword trigger. If they are, we disable those keywords from the ad campaign.

AdWordsAdvisor

6:25 pm on Jun 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Doesn't [adwords.google.com...] need updating?

Good catch, cline! I'll pass this on the the writing team in the next few minutes.

Many thanks.

AWA