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Strong CTR for an "at risk" keyword

Same CTR and Impressions, different status

         

WC_Surf

9:30 pm on Mar 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Thanks in advance for help with a new user question I'm sure has been asked alot...but I can't find an answer to:

I have a critical keyword that consistently has an adequate CTR - around 2.4 - and solid impressions, but regularly is listed as being "At risk". (I make changes to the match type or ad content to keep it from being disabled, but it's a temporary fix.)

In the same Ad group, I have keywords with lower CTR and the same impressions that are listed as strong.

Is there something about the keyword content or match type that would flag it for tougher scrutiny?

Shak

9:49 pm on Mar 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

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welcome to WebmasterWorld.

I would not worry about it mate.

I often have record breaking CTRs, which still show "at risk"...

personally I dont even bother looking at them these days.

Shak

WC_Surf

10:30 pm on Mar 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Thanks very much for the speedy (and quite reassuring!) reply.

AdWordsAdvisor

12:26 am on Mar 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Welcome to WebmasterWorld!

To Shak's response, I'd add the short list of nuts and bolts details below. This topic has been covered at much greater length in many threads over the past few months, btw, so a site search might net you more info.

The nuts and bolts:

* Ad performance in terms of positioning and whether the keyword will continue to run is measured on Google alone, exclusive of all partner sites.

* The 'Status' column in your stats indicates how your keyword is doing on Google alone.

* The CTR column in your stats reflects how you are doing on Google and partner sites.

* So an keyword 'At risk' keyword with a 2.4% CTR is not doing very well with Google's audience, but is doing well on partner sites.

* And a keyword marked 'Strong', but with a low CTR, is doing well on Google, but not so well on partner sites.

Is there something about the keyword content or match type that would flag it for tougher scrutiny?

No, it all boils down the performance of that keyword and the ad that shows when it is searched. The better the match between keyword and ad, the better you'll do with CTR - as a rule.

AWA

WC_Surf

2:28 pm on Mar 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Thanks, AWA - that helps!

cgrantski

3:03 pm on Mar 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

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The endless questions about Google's rules for putting terms at risk indicates, to me, that Google could be doing this a lot better. Much as I admire what Google is doing in general, I hope they are taking a hard look at how ALL of this at-risk and disabling and slowing stuff works.

Chicken Juggler

9:02 pm on Mar 29, 2004 (gmt 0)



Why does Google not work with people before they disable. It makes no sense. I have a few words disabled. My site is just like everybody elses. A lot of them are newer. Maybe our industry is different than others. We want to stay number one no matter what. We will pay any ammount of money to stay number one why does google not want our money. People want us we get conversions from it. The term does not get typed in enough for any stat to be statisticly useful.

Algebrator

11:25 pm on Apr 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Shak,

When you say "you don't worry about them", does that mean that your high CTR, at risk kwds never actually get disabled?
My main "bread and butter" kwd suddenly went to at risk status, while having over 3% ctr. I pay on average $1000
for that kwd alone - it is a good deal for me and the Google. It wouldn't make sense for them to disable it, just because it is not doing so well on Google.
I don't wan't to mess with the setup (don't fix it if it ain't broken approach), but the whole situation makes me a little worried.
Google's response that says they need to take into account only google CTR for uniformity sake is pure baloney as far as I am concerned - as if they are not making any money off of the partner sites?

chewy

10:32 pm on Apr 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I too see good words (one actually the trademarked name of a client) that are either at risk or disabled.

I don't quite understand the logic that the stats are based on "Google clicks alone" - especially since this is really the first I have heard that particular distinction.

We are *actively* targeting AOL & ASK users and we get the clicks, Google gets the money, and my clients get to work with customers who are searching for them using the trademarked name.

We track actual conversions carefully and know the non-Google clicks represent our targeted demographic because we see the relative conversion rates. Content CTR also appears to be good as well.

This seemed to be working well for all parties - in fact the client wants to roll this out further.

Then we get disabled on our very own name?

I can't imagine what I'm going to tell the client on Monday morning.

intwo

12:03 am on Apr 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I've asked about and mentioned this elsewhere, too, and just would like to add that for smaller advertisers like me, the whole "at-risk" and "disabling" thing is extremely stressful.

Early on, I even wrote emails to their customer service kicking and screaming and threatening to abandon the infuriating service.

To their credit, AW customer service has always helped out, offered feedback and assistance, and done as much to make it easier as possible. (Bear in mind, customer service can only work with what they've got.)

The problem is the learning curve is huge (way too many man-hours for a small business operator), and the methods that determine "at-risk" and "disabling" should be reconsidered.

But for any newbies out there, I'll add this: after the first (traumatic) month, it's been mostly smooth sailing. This forum is exceptionally helpful. Search it often. Once you get your head around it, AW is pretty fantastic.

You might even make enough ROI to cover the treatments for your new ulcer.

I2

Algebrator

2:54 pm on Apr 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I just as Chewy, am targeting AOL and ASK visitors (with great success). I am constantly at risk with my main kwd. because of Google silly accounting. While it is possible to re-enable the kwd, the fact that there is a 3-5 day delay (because of the ad review process) can result in
quite a bit of loss of revenue. With this in mind, would it make sense to do the following:
1. Isolate the "at risk" kwd in separate campaign. In that way when it goes down, and ad needs to be changed (for re-enabling), the rest of the kwds are not pulled down as well
2. Some time ago I noticed (by accident) that if you have the same kwd in 2 different campaigns but different max CPC, only the larger CPC kwd will show. Would it then make sense to create another campaign (C2) while kwd in already existing campaign (C1) is at risk , but not disabled? By setting CPC in C2 to lower
amount than in C1, it would never show (as long as kwd
in C1 is enabled), but it would go through the review
pipeline and be immediately "deployable" when C1 kwd
goes of line?