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Adword Bid Prices

How can I find out what the bids are for a given keyword/keyphrase?

         

Jack_Hughes

9:11 pm on Feb 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

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On overture I can find out what the bids are for a given keyphrase. How can I do the same for Adwords? It would take some of the guesswork out of trying to figure out what it takes to get into the top 3 positions. Which, according to my limited tests does seem to make a big difference to the CTR.

eWhisper

9:33 pm on Feb 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

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There is no way to see actual bid prices. Educated guesses based on your CTR and bids is about the best you can do. GT can make some guesses as to what you need to pay for a position - but they are very rough estimates.

AdWordsAdvisor

1:08 am on Feb 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

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On overture I can find out what the bids are for a given keyphrase. How can I do the same for Adwords?

The reason you can do this on Overture, (and why it is important) is that your bid is the only thing that determines your position there.

On AdWords, your position is equally determined by your Maximum CPC and your Clickthrough Rate (CTR). CTR is important because it is a measure of the relevance of your ad to our users, for the given search.

(CTR = Clicks divided by Impressions, expressed as a percentage. So if your ad appears 100 times and is clicked on once, CTR is 1%.)

Because CTR is 50% of the equation that determines postion, knowing what your competitor is paying is not particularly useful information.

In fact, it is entirely possible for you to appear above a competitor who is paying more that you are - if your CTR is much better.

Hint: Take a look at the Average CPC column of your account stats to see what amounts to 'the going rate'.

AWA

eWhisper

1:35 am on Feb 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Because CTR is 50% of the equation that determines postion, knowing what your competitor is paying is not particularly useful information.

I have to disagree. From a business standpoint, knowing what you competitor is willing to pay can tell you a lot about a competitor. And knowing their bid price and position, you can get a rough estimate of their CTR and would be able to directly compare how your campaign runs against theirs.

From Gs standpoint, I can see why they don't publish these numbers, but it is very useful information.

Jack_Hughes

11:26 am on Feb 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Many thanks for your replies...much appreciated. Oh.. and thanks to eWhisper for the post you did about Adwords. One of the best posts I've read on here. I am now following your advice and it is working. I have started my very, very targeted campaign and am reaping some high CTR as a consequence.

annej

5:11 am on Feb 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Many thanks for your replies...much appreciated. Oh.. and thanks to eWhisper for the post you did about Adwords. One of the best posts I've read on here.

Could someone tell me where I could find this post? I am wanting to take the plunge but don't know how to start.

eWhisper

1:12 pm on Feb 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I think Jack_Hughes is talking about this post [webmasterworld.com], number 6.