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rocks, sissors, paper...re: exact/phrase/broad

         

hudson

4:12 pm on Dec 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

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OK, sorry if this is obvious, but is there any benefit to an exact match? For example, will an exact match top a phrase match and will a phrase match top a broad match? Kind of like in the children's game of "rocks, sissors, paper"...

Thanks for any info

Shak

4:17 pm on Dec 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

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yep

Shak

hudson

4:20 pm on Dec 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

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oh cool...cryptic, but cool ;-)

Chndru

4:25 pm on Dec 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>cryptic

?.. How obvious can you get than a simple yes? :)

hudson

4:27 pm on Dec 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

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?.. How obvious can you get than a simple yes? :)

OK...yes...but to what degree?

Anyway, thanks guys for answering my question ;-)

cline

5:10 pm on Dec 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Isn't it more complicated than that? Adwords seems to me to operate as a linear programming optimization function set to maximize click revenue. For any search Adwords looks at all the possible ads to run for that search, all the max bids, and a forecast of each ad's CTR for that term. Whether there is an exact, phrase, or broad match for the search term isn't per se part of the equation. However, in practice exact matches tend to have higher CTRs than phrase matches which tend to have higher CTRs than broad matches.

AdWordsAdvisor

6:20 pm on Dec 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

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...will an exact match top a phrase match and will a phrase match top a broad match?

It kind of depends on what you mean by 'top', Hudson.

Say you have a keyword listed multiple ways, such as:

fiery red widgets
"fiery red widgets"
[fiery red widgets]

If I were to search for 'fiery red widgets' (in other words the exact match), then the exact matched keyword would record the impression.

If I were to search for 'vintage fiery red widgets', then the phrase matched keyword would get the impression.

If I were to search on 'fiery widgets crimson red', then the broad matched keyword would get the impression.

Now, here is the part that I hope answers your question: it is the CTR of the keyword getting the impression that determines the position of your ad (in combination with the Max CPC of course).

Does that help?

AWA

hudson

6:32 pm on Dec 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Hi AdWordsAdvisor!

Now, here is the part that I hope answers your question: it is the CTR of the keyword getting the impression that determines the position of your ad (in combination with the Max CPC of course).

Does that help?

Well...yes and no. Yes in that it makes me realize I got a lot to learn about AdWords. No in that I am still confused ;-)

Two quick questions. First, why would someone use:

fiery red widgets
"fiery red widgets"
[fiery red widgets]

At first glance, it seems to defeat the purpose of having the different matching types, since the "broad" matches any, why use the "phrase" and "exact"?

Second, you seem to end by saying CTR on a keyword is the prime factor. My original question was, all things being the same, would a "exact" top a "phrase" top a "broad". And it seems your answer is an "exact" must still compete on the merits of it's CTR.

Thanks for your time and thoughts on this one.

hudson

6:33 pm on Dec 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Interesting slant, cline. Thanks for the feedback.

AdWordsAdvisor

12:46 am on Dec 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Two quick questions. First, why would someone use:

fiery red widgets
"fiery red widgets"
[fiery red widgets]

Probably lots of reasons out there, boiling down to advertiser preference. Perhaps others will chime in as to why they do it? (The ability to do this seems to come up frequently in Forum 81.)

My take is that it is a reasonable way to test which match type words best in a given Ad Group. ('Best' could be defined as the best CTR, the best conversion rate, etc.) Then, when the test it deemed conclusive, the 'losers' get deleted.

Second, you seem to end by saying CTR on a keyword is the prime factor. My original question was, all things being the same, would a "exact" top a "phrase" top a "broad". And it seems your answer is an "exact" must still compete on the merits of it's CTR.

Your last sentence in the above quote is correct. So in this sense, more exact matches do not automatically 'top' less exact matches.

AWA

hudson

3:44 pm on Dec 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Hi AdWordsAdvisor, thanks for the insight and answering my questions.

AdWordsAdvisor

4:06 pm on Dec 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Always a pleasure!

AWA