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Don't exact matches take priority over broad matches?

Trying to figure out rankings...

         

limitup

3:04 am on Nov 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I was always under the impression that an exact match will always rank higher than a broad match, regardless of CPC. For example, if you search for "wholesale [some product]" you get a ton of generic ads where you can tell the advertiser has bid on the term "wholesale" i.e. the first 10-20 ads have absolutely nothing to do with [some product], they are just generic wholesale "directories" etc. So if I then go and bid even 5 cents for the exact term "wholesale [some product]", shouldn't I be listed #1 if I am the only one bidding on that exact term? It doesn't seem to work that way, although I always thought it did - and it definitely should if Google wants good results.

caine

3:14 am on Nov 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

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CPC is the important factor, that is the position you are willing to pay for.

Personally i stick with exact matching, as the theory of 'broad matching' could take you into an ROI territory that is scarily expensive with little return - certainly if your chasing top adword listings!

Exact - specialist niche markets
Broad - Global sort of anything markets (i.e. Ebay / Amazon, etc)

[edited by: caine at 3:17 am (utc) on Nov. 28, 2003]

roitracker

3:15 am on Nov 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

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You're right, it doesn't work that way. Wish that it would though! :)

eWhisper

3:28 pm on Nov 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Broad matching can be very useful for industries as well. If you sell a service throughout an entire state, you don't want to try to think of every single possible city, bourough, and county name for that state which would quickly give you thousands of exact matches, and you still want to get the traffic queries like "how do i buy service in state". You broadmatch: service state. With appropriate negative keywords.

I've seen broad matches like this run very high ctr rates.

There are some national examples I can think of as well. I think broadmatch (well, the older one more than the new one) can be a very useful matching tool, and don't think that automatically exact matches should be considered more relevant than broad ones - that's something ctr determines.

RedWolf

3:42 pm on Nov 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

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The problem is that many times if a person is searching for a specific niche product type the ads for the broad matches are totally laughable.

Take one of my terms: niche widget

The top result in the Premium slot is Walmart. I'm sure it is a Premium ad for widget, but it is so totally out of place that I laugh every time I see it. While they were the nations largest seller of widgets last year (no accounting for taste), they would never sell niche widgets (non sexual) as they are against their "company image". Remember this is the company that won't even sell Maxim because it is offensive to their fundimentalist shoppers.

That just gave me an idea. Maybe I can go to a couple of the local churches and tell them what I saw them advertising. That should get a letter writing campaign going and maybe they will install some negatives and get out of my niche. <evil grin>

limitup

12:17 am on Nov 29, 2003 (gmt 0)

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So wait a minute. If that is the case, it sounds like there is no reason to have 100 keyword phrases if they all have a common word in them, right? If all my phrases have the word "widget" in them, I might as well just have 1 broad match for the word widget, and any appropriate negative keywords. Is this correct? I was always under the impression that it was better to have tons of exact or phrase match keywords, because when those exact words were searched for your ad would get a higher listing then the broad matches, regardless of CPC, CTR, etc.

RedWolf

12:59 am on Nov 29, 2003 (gmt 0)

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The advantage of using multi-word phrases instead of a single broad matched keyword is that you can tailor different ads to each specific multi-word term instead of one general ad. Even with a dynamic title generic ads look lame. Just not the eBay, Target, and Walmart ads that litter many results. Sometimes the general body text contradicts the dynamic title.

Another problem with single word broard matches is that it is often hard to keep the CTR up enough to keep them from being disabled. Lot's of negatives can help. but if your going to that trouble it is often easier to just do multi-word ads.

skibum

6:57 am on Nov 29, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Isn't it Overture that always ranks the most specific types of matches highest in the results regardless of bid price. Think a rep said that once but wouldn't swear by it.

eWhisper

3:52 pm on Nov 29, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Redwolf is completely correct. Phrase matches help tailor ads, which help your ctr rate, which can drive your cpc down, and your position up.

Most likely, if you bid on 'widgets' and get a 0.5% ctr rate, and a bid price of $1.00 - you'll spend a lot more than if you have a bunch of phrase matches that have 5-15% ctr rates, even with the same bid price. And because your ctr is so low, you'll never be able to compete for top position, except when people search for just 'widgets' which isn't very targeted.

I like broadmatching 2-3 words for a lot of industries. That way I catch the searchers who don't input the exact term I'm bidding on, but do input the 2-3 words I'm bidding on. It's a rare company/product that I'd recomend bidding for a single word term on Google.

On Overture, if you broadmatch, you also have the option to have the same term phrase and exact matched. So what most people do is end up checking all 3 boxes for the terms they want to broadmatch.

If you bid on 'widgets' in OV, and there are hundreds of 'word widget' terms, odds are, you're widget ad will never show for those other terms, even if you broadmatch it.

The other thing with Overture to look at is CTR rate. I've seen many people who say, well, my term is number one, what else can I do? Optimize Overture ads, like you would with Google. Overture makes a big deal of bid price, but very little about CTR rate, and I think many people forget to optimize Overture ads correctly.

limitup

5:31 pm on Nov 29, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Sounds good, thanks. Does anyone have a negative keyword list "template" they can share, with a bunch of common words you can use as negative keywords for almost any ad that is selling something? You know, words like sex, ****, picture, photo, download, free, etc. etc.?

AdWordsAdvisor

6:17 pm on Dec 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Does anyone have a negative keyword list "template" they can share, with a bunch of common words you can use as negative keywords for almost any ad that is selling something? You know, words like sex, ****, picture, photo, download, free, etc. etc.?

One great tool for figuring out appropriate negative keywords: the 'natural' SERPS.

For example, search on one of your keywords, then take a hard look at the first hundred or so search results on the left. These results are a goldmine of information about how your search term is used in contexts that have nothing to do with what you have to offer.

Whenever you spot a non-related example, you are likely to have found a good negative keyword or two.

Just my $0.02 ;)

AWA