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Newbie question - using one generic keyword?

         

Algebrator

9:26 pm on Nov 14, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Hello,
I am starting to advertise a product on adwords, and would
like to see if problem with the following logic:

I am selling a software program that should help beginning
algebra students do their homework. My initial set of
keywords (things that you would expect - "algebra homework
help", "algebra tutor" etc). All of these yielded very low
expected clicks per day (3-10) and pretty high suggested
bids ($1.00 or so, min on some was set to $0.5).

I know what the pitfall of a generic keyword such as "algebra" is -potentially lots of clicks and no sales.
However, to me it is still appealing because:
1. The min rate is 0.05
2. Expected # of clicks around 100

The way I want to deal with "misdirected" traffic would be
the following:

1. I use a ton of negative keywords (such as -linear, -abstract, -matrix --- things that don't apply to basic
algebra)

2. My ad says very specifically "basic algebra", so I
am hoping that people interested in other areas of
algebra are not going to click

Is this a viable approach?

Thanks,
Neven

2_much

1:27 am on Nov 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Hi Neven,

The advantage of Adwords and other PPC engines is that it's a great testing tool. Why not give it a try for a week to determine the viability of this approach?

I had a campaign where I had to do this because of the same reasons, and the results were positive.

So I suggest you give it a shot and then stop the campaign after a week to determine how effective it was, and then determine a future strategy based on this data.

Good luck!

hannamyluv

1:41 pm on Nov 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Just a note about adwords...

The suggested bid means nothing. I have yet to figure out how they come to the conclusion and I believe (at least from other threads I have seen on here) no one else has either.

Their expected clicks can be way off too. Either too high or too low, but most of the time it can give you a general idea of what to expect.

You may want to use wordtracker to find exact phrases that people are looking for about algebra in combination with using the negative keywords.

Robino

6:11 pm on Nov 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

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It sounds like your on the right path Algebrator.
Just set your max CPC at a rate you're willing to pay. Click on your ad once to get the ball rolling. Test your ads and make changes until your CTR is what you're happy with.

Also, I would change your ad to display 'WWW.yoursite.COM'.
Instead of 'WWW.yoursite.COM/INDEX.HTML#ALGEBRA'

If this is you, I think you flip-flopped the URL fields. Click on your ad and check it out.

Algebrator

5:40 am on Nov 16, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Hi,

Thanks for your suggestions.
As far as the long url goes, I was just following somebody's
advice from this forum (use the max 35 caps url to make your
ad bigger). At the time I didn't realize that because of
the formating the competitor's ads were also going to get
bigger. Another change I did was including some common
mispelling words for algebra. This seems to have improved
my click-through rate by 20% (5% mispelled kwds + 15%, I
assume because of the larger looking ad, although I am not sure
that 6000 impressions (1 day) makes it statistically significant).
By the way, my click through rate is not that high (1.2%,
80 clicks on 6000 impressions), but it seems like well spent
$5.00. I am still waiting for orders though ....
Neven

cheater copperpot

10:58 am on Nov 19, 2002 (gmt 0)

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has google given you any flak for the all caps url that makes the ads so big? I am thinking of doing this but i dont wanna get in trouble =) whats the ruling on this?

Robino

2:46 pm on Nov 19, 2002 (gmt 0)

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They will now copperpot! If the ad is up w/ all CAPS, it's obviously ok. Or they haven't caught him yet. Google just suspends your ad when you violate the rules. They don't warn you.

Algebrator

4:51 pm on Nov 19, 2002 (gmt 0)

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No problems so far. I picked this up on another thread - it
seems other people have been using all caps, long url for
a while
Neven

cheater copperpot

11:56 pm on Nov 19, 2002 (gmt 0)

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by "suspends the ad" does that mean they just cancel the ad until i replace it with a new one or do they boot me from google adwords all together? I wanna try this but if it will get me booted from adwords, no way.

Algebrator

1:49 am on Nov 20, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Spoke to soon - they just suspended my ad for excessive
capitalization. After removing it, the ad was back on
instantly. At least they are fair about it.
Neven