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How Many Keywords Is Too Many?

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Bob_Ricci

8:13 pm on Jun 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I am not new to designing and publishing sites, but I am just recently getting very invloved in SEO. I currently use <a tool> to evaluate my work and it can be confusing.

The most confusing is the number of keywords in the META. I use an older on-line tool, to intially design but then it tells me that I have too many keywords. The other tells me that I don't have enough.

So the question: how many is too many? I know that this can be subjective, but I feel like I'm in the middle of a battle between two tools! Should keywords be separated by a comma? I've read mixed answers on this here. If not separated by a comma, do Google and Alta string together a match by extracting individual words to create the phrase? I submitted through Inktomi last Friday and still see no action. I'm afraid that I have over done things.

So confused... As a new user here I'm not allowed to post a URL for a more targeted answer.

Thank You for this forum! Just by reading I have learned a great deal already. Something so simple as redefining an H1 through CSS has increased ranking - H1's are too big!

[edited by: Marcia at 12:05 am (utc) on June 24, 2003]
[edit reason] Specific tools not necessary. [/edit]

beardsmen

3:31 am on Jun 24, 2003 (gmt 0)



one is too many. google does not even look at the meta keyword tag. keywords in the title is number one.

Bob_Ricci

4:14 am on Jun 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Umm... what about the *other* SE's? :)

mona

10:16 am on Jun 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I think what beardsmen meant was that since Google ignores them, you shouldn't worry over them. I still use them in this way - I have a keyword phrase I'm targeting for a page. I put that in the title, in the description tag, and then in the kewyword tag. I just rephrase my keyword phrase 4-6 times. And I use commas, not sure if it matters.

Nice to have you here, Bob_Ricci. You might want to check out the link development forum, if you haven't yet. I'd recommend almost everything in the library (there's a link at the top of the page) and everything written by Paynt. She was the moderator there for quiet a while and she knows a ton;)

Bob_Ricci

4:38 pm on Jun 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Glad to be here! I always enjoy learning new things and contributing where I can.

My questions was really about the META tags in the <head> How many is too many (in characters or words.) Should they be separated by commas? Life I mentioned, I'm caugfht in a battle between two tools :)

I submitted through Ink on Friday and G still hasn't indexed any of my pages.

pageoneresults

4:55 pm on Jun 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Google does not even look at the meta keyword tag.

Be careful here. We don't know for sure that Google ignores the META Keywords Tag. I've seen some comments over the past couple of months that indicate that Google may use the META Keywords Tag in the overall equation of page relevancy.

<title>
<description>
<keywords>

Those are the three primary meta data elements that you should focus on (the <title> is referred to as the title element).

Use the site search feature and look for "length of title", "length of description", "length of keywords", etc.

There are also some quality threads in this forums library and you may find a few more over at the Search Engine Promotion Forum that may be of benefit in your research.

John_Caius

3:22 pm on Jun 25, 2003 (gmt 0)

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So what's your take on Brett's comment here:

[webmasterworld.com...]

?

pageoneresults

3:36 pm on Jun 25, 2003 (gmt 0)

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When asked whether they supported meta keyword tags, all the crawlers but Inktomi said NO.

That was back in March. Since then, I've seen comments in various topics that lead me to believe that Google may look at the keywords tag. Even if they don't, it is still a good practice to utilize the tag for other SE's that may use it in determining the relevancy of a page.

It takes a minute or two to set it up, why not take advantage of it? Since Ink publicly stated they use it in their algo, that in itself is justification for me to continue promoting the proper use of the tag.

mil2k

9:05 am on Jun 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I agree with pageoneresults (not bcoz he is a mod ;)) bcoz I have heard some very senior fellows mention it in the past. One such case is if you have a Flash Page, google may want to look at your Keywords tag. Same goes for High Graphic sites.

Just to add a bit of more perspective to this discussion read this thread :- Metatags are Not Dead, Long Live Metatags! [webmasterworld.com]

HTH :)

Bob_Ricci

9:17 am on Jun 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Can you submit individual pages to Google? Such as index2.html? I know that it will spider the entire site, but I'm thinking about titles optimized for the page.

mona

5:23 pm on Jun 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>I know that it will spider the entire site

You've already answered your question, more or less. Are you talking about making a new page or changing the title on one that already exists? If it's new page and you link from a page already in the index, Google should find it. And if it's an existing page, Google will grab the new title the next time it's crawled. Either way you should be fine.

Bob_Ricci

5:32 pm on Jun 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Chaning the title on an existing page that is more targeted at the topic/title of the page. I ran stats last night and have done very well on secondary pages, but need to improve on other phrases.

Chris_R

5:35 pm on Jun 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Personally - I would optimize them for inktomi. I wouldn't worry too much and agree with the others that it MIGHT help with google, doesn't hurt - except for the time it takes, does seem to help with inktomi, and might be used for other things like relevance testing.

If, I, had, to, guess, seven, words

six,might,work,i,don't,know

Check out some high ranked pages on inktomi for your niche and look at the source.

mona

5:35 pm on Jun 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Then I'd just make the changes, I'm sure it will help. Then you'll just have to patiently wait for Googlebot and then the following update:)

Robert Charlton

2:59 am on Jun 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Here's an old thread that touches on the question.

[webmasterworld.com...]

Since this discussion, the meta keywords tag has been de-emphasized a lot more.

Bob_Ricci

3:41 am on Jun 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I recall reading something similar when "Death of the META Tag" came out several months ago. What gets confusing is that the *tool* that I use evaluates the title, keywords, and body. It is looking for 476-550 words on the page and measures weight, proximity, etc. For all of the money I just spent, it just seems that they haven't stayed current. My pages average 75% success based on their scale, but I'm sensing that a slew of tags isn't necessary.