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British Telecom claims patent on hyperlinks

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rjohara

7:59 pm on Feb 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Hmm, I heard this news [news.bbc.co.uk] maybe 12 hours ago. By this time there should be a fifty-item thread on it here. Sheesh, people around here are slow. ;)

Laisha

8:03 pm on Feb 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Hmm...I distinctly remember using hypercards and hyperlinks on a Mac when the Apple first came out. Don't I?

EliteWeb

8:04 pm on Feb 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I don't think this one will fly that well. Waste of time and money, but if they truely have patients etc then there are problems and they have the patients. About Hypercard, ya Apple has had that for a while hypercards, stacks - ohH my.

toolman

8:07 pm on Feb 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Not this again.

Marcia

8:12 pm on Feb 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

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In a certain chat rooms, members send cyber-hugs by saying "huggles." OK, I know, I know, a bit much for me, too. :)

One gal announced that she had trademarked that word and that no one could ever say it again anyplace without violating her trademark.

Brett_Tabke

8:16 pm on Feb 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

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>here are slow.

There is a thread around here from 2000 where we first talked about it. I dug on the obvious kw's but can't find it. Anyone know where it's at?

It was part of the Amazon patents "one click to buy" thread.

Mark_A

8:27 pm on Feb 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Gee another one where lawyers are being paid a wad to argue common sense...

I thought there was some expectation that patent holders should at least attempt to enforce their rights in a reasonable time period, 20 years seems a little excessive as the hyperlink even if proven to have been originally owned by BT has long since become effectively global public domain.

I expect the US court will throw this out as it is obvious BT certainly knew the Hyperlink was being used all over the globe, what they appear to have forgotten is that they claimed to own it and that it was therefore being used without their permission or licence. Even if ownership were established they can be accused of a deeply dodgy bait and switch tactic by allowing something to appear to be open source and thus allowing it to gain wider acceptance, adoption and cynically potential greater revenues for them at a later date.

Competence? .. you claim to own something, you should remember you own it and not wait 20 years after someone has stolen it and are using it all over the world to start to whinge about it.

rjohara

8:30 pm on Feb 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I was sure it must have been brought up before, Brett, so I also searched but didn't come up with anything. I was just having fun with all the news hounds, that's all. :) The hearings start this week which is why the story made the news again.

If anybody makes anything out of this it ought to be the grand old men like Doug Engelbart [bootstrap.org] or Ted Nelson [sfc.keio.ac.jp].

NFFC

8:37 pm on Feb 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

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The Patent in question! [164.195.100.11]

oilman

8:43 pm on Feb 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Here's [webmasterworld.com] one thread where it came up back in Nov. Still looking for the original thread. :)

gethan

8:47 pm on Feb 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Did anyone mention Vanavar Bush first time round? ... naval officer in the 50s (I think) who published ideas on a table that would link many documents together dependent on context...
off to read :)

Edited - Thank you Google

Did you mean: vannevar bush ? - yep :)

[iath.virginia.edu...]

[theatlantic.com...] - his original article.. "as we may think" 1945.

john316

9:45 pm on Feb 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Wow..I've been misguided; I Thought Al Gore invented hyperlinks when he started the internet . :)

brotherhood of LAN

10:04 pm on Feb 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Just as a side note BT split into many diff. companies a few months back to downsize and get rid of the £30 billion debt it had

In the chance that they could win this case, I wonder how much $ it is worth to them?!

Ive read the patent (well, most of it), poor English I must say!

>>>>The display is of the form of a page of data and is reproduced on a cathode-ray tube screen which may be part of a domestic television receiver or may be a special purpose apparatus for this function. Instead of a cathode-ray tube screen, a special purpose alphanumeric display may be used

So, they explain the idea of the hyperlink

>>>Difficulties arise in such a system, however, because of the need to ensure the simplicity of operation of the terminal, bearing in mind the likelihood that the significance of particular keying inputs may need to be varied in dependence on the data being displayed. It is an object of the present invention to alleviate the above difficulty.

Alas, the hyperlink

In short, Id put money on them winning this case. It seems silly that they can have such an audacious claim, but nonetheless, the whole Internet/hyperlink/html that makes the web today had an origin, and this was part of it :)

who wants to put a wager on it :)

rubble88

12:43 am on Feb 13, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Here's BT's court filing:
[news.findlaw.com...]

backus

2:07 pm on Feb 13, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I say BT win it. They're a massive company, with strong ties to the UK government. Nobody will want to p*ss them off.

bird

2:25 pm on Feb 13, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Let's assume the patent is valid for the sake of discussion.

What I still don't understand then, is how they want to get anything from an ISP. After all, the hyperlinks are implemented in the browser software, not in the networking infrastructure. The real targets would be AOL/TW/Netscape, Microsoft, and a few minor players.

Or do the ISPs also have to pay license fees for transporting GIF files over their lines? The software manufacturers do.

TallTroll

3:51 pm on Feb 13, 2002 (gmt 0)

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BT are just taking pot-shots. They have a section whose sole task is to trawl through the frankly phenomenal number of patents they have filed over the last few decades, and see if any money can be squeezed out of any of them. This one gets the nod on 2 counts :

1) They might win. $$$$$$!!!! Its highly unlikely, but games theory says its worth a punt

2) PR. Such a high-profile claim is bound to generate millions of pounds worth of exposure. It got play in the national press, we're all talking about it now... I'm sure you get the picture

Crazy_Fool

8:13 pm on Feb 16, 2002 (gmt 0)

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In short, Id put money on them winning this case. It seems silly that they can have such an audacious claim, but nonetheless, the whole Internet/hyperlink/html that makes the web today had an origin, and this was part of it

who wants to put a wager on it

ok, i'll bet you a beer that BT lose.

and if people think BT's patent is ridiculous, British Rail patented the Unidentified Flying Object way back in the 60's or 70's .........

brotherhood of LAN

2:06 am on Feb 17, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Fair enough the patenting of ufo's is ridiculous, but hyperlinks are a tangible thing, just like any other software on the web.

So why shouldnt it have an owner? Someone had to invent (and alias patent) the method of connecting documents between remote computers, the same sorta way that Tim Berners Lee brought about a standard in HTML

So i'll live to your bet, a beer!!!