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UK, GB , England Searches

How people find British sites

         

IanTurner

10:42 am on Mar 13, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Although UK is by far the most popular search term people use different terms to refer to our region.

Ratio of searches is approximately

UK: 28
England: 13
GB: 3
Scotland: 4
Wales: 4
Ireland: 8

(I am not covering the outlying islands in this.)

What we need to do is capture those searchers who are typing in the other terms.

How should we go about it:

My ideas are as follows:

Finish an address England, UK rather than just UK

Make sure that if an address appears more than once GB is used in some cases rather than UK

Give regional coverage in Meta Description.

Give regional coverage on at least one page of your site (use in conjunction with your most popular keywords)

Has anyone got any better ideas?

Robber

11:38 am on Mar 13, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Address idea is a good one, also how about including words along lines of "site written in GB English" - as opposed to US English.

IanTurner

11:48 am on Mar 13, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Nice variation Robber, and it gets in the word 'English' - could also use ritten in 'British English' if the two were useful keywords to you.

Robber

12:16 pm on Mar 13, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Has your research shown whether people use "britain" in their searches?

IanTurner

12:27 pm on Mar 13, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I haven't done detailed research yet, and was really initially only looking at how people modify searches when they find that they've only pulled US based sites with their search.

We pull quite a lot of referrals from 'keyword(s) uk' and 'uk keyword(s)' searches

But it looks like there is quite a field for research by British SEOs that others don't really have.

(Thinks why doesn't any other country have more than one name! - maybe I should emigrate to Australia)

ciml

2:13 pm on Mar 13, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Some very good points here, IMO.

One thing though. Word order is now crucially important in Google so I would be tempted to optimise one page around "keyword England" (with or without UK) and another page around "keyword UK" (if I had any sites to do with England). I'd make the home page the most competitive on that I could get a Google top5 for, then work down from there.

Looking at a couple of phrases including "britain", there seems quite a high search rate without corresponding competition.

Calum

gethan

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> Thinks why doesn't any other country have more than one name!

US, United States, USA, America - in theory they have the same problem - but I bet 99% of US related searches don't even bother specifying the country.

I like the - "site in GB English" + variations.

I would imagine that it would also depend on the industry on which keywords are most useful - if your looking for visitors from the US then England has got to be as useful as UK (more so?).

Where british residents are probably more likely to type "keyword UK" ... anyone agree with this?

IanTurner

3:30 pm on Mar 13, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Yes I agree gethan,

Americans are likely to search for England, British are more likely to use 'keyword uk' as their way of filtering out US sites.

You are right in that US has a number of different names, however most .coms are US biased and so .com engines tend to lead with US sites, except for a few foreign interlopers.

mark_roach

9:34 pm on Mar 13, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I am not getting any where near as many "keyword uk" searches as I did a couple of years ago. With the advent of regional google, lycos and alta it is less neccessary than it once was. It could also be because we are right up there in the SERPS with the US sites now :)

However, I don't think I have ever had a referral with "england" in, I guess it is time to add that keyword to some of my pages.

brotherhood of LAN

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agreed ian, many americans refer to the UK and England

btw, anyone know the difference between the UK and GB? ;)

IanTurner

9:44 pm on Mar 13, 2002 (gmt 0)

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United Kingdom
Great Britain and Northern Ireland

Not sure where all the little bits lie. (Isle of Man, Jersey and Guernsey etc)

brotherhood of LAN

9:55 pm on Mar 13, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Isle of man has Manx Government, though not sure how that fits in. I wonder what the searches for those Ian mentioned and other regions of the UK

I know ciml may have extensive info on the Scottish Borders ;)

makemetop

10:41 pm on Mar 13, 2002 (gmt 0)



GB = Great Britain = England, Scotland & Wales.
Northern Ireland = where I live and (depending on your politics) is (should/shouldn't be) part of the United Kingdom.

Guersey, Jersey, Isle of Man, Sark etc. have their own governments, laws and taxation methods (unlike the different parts of the UK who have standard taxation) but look to the UK to handle defence and view the British Monarch as Head of State. Some are not in the EU - which the UK is - which gives them an interesting status for banking purposes!

brotherhood of LAN

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makes the EU sound a whole lot easier :)

btw I intend to use addresses in include pages for future sites. Anyone recommend?

gethan

11:16 pm on Mar 13, 2002 (gmt 0)

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England, UK (or Scotland, etc)

Robber

9:53 am on Mar 14, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Just came up with another one for those actually registere as a company:
"Registered in England and Wales"

That can go at the bottom of every page.

backus

10:37 am on Mar 14, 2002 (gmt 0)

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The Isle of Man has the oldest government in the world! Even though America thinks it has, it hasn't, the Isle of Man has.

ciml

1:35 pm on Mar 14, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Mark, I still find geographic words very helpful in getting traffic, but it may be in part due to the number of customers I have who promote Scottish/UK related goods to North Americans.

Brotherhood:

I know ciml may have extensive info on the Scottish Borders

Which I'll keep to myself seeing as you're reading here. ;)

Regardless of where the place is, though, it's easy to loose sight of the main objective (long term and/or short term sales) and put too much effort on the fun stuff (server logs). This is especially so when it's not your own site. Sometimes the extra effort in getting the more general listing just isn't worthwhile.

For example, getting top1 for {MyService in MyTown} can be at least as much use as the top1 spot for {MyService in MyRegion} or even {MyService in MyCountry}. The latter may give better traffic, but conversions are likely to be less if the product or service is location specific (eg. accommodation).

Lateral thinking, eg. {MyService for SomeActivity} is also important. It might be easier and more rewarding to promote under {martian fishing holiday} than {martial hotel accommodation}.

While the Scotland/UK promotion is always in mind up here, Ian's absolutely right, the England/UK thought process looks under-exploited.

I've never expended thought before on Britain or British. The more I look, the better it seems. Thanks guys!

Calum

mark_roach

6:30 pm on Mar 14, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I think that I may have estimated the pulling power of "uk" searches in my last post.

Some figures from the last 3 days:

uk - 515
england - 29 (never noticed them before :))
ireland - 27
scotland - 21
wales - 7
britain - 6
gb - 0

Other random ones

kent - 4
devon - 6
midlands - 6
somerset - 1
london - 5
manchester - 1
south - 16 (south east, south west, south england etc.)
north - 8

UK is certainly the big single keyword but, and I am guessing here, I would think that if you totalled up all the regional searches they would come to a similar figure.

IanTurner

7:31 pm on Mar 14, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I think England is the lost country only ever used when referring to football rugby and cricket.

I like robbers suggestion of registered in England and Wales, and ciml seems to imply that this has been obvious to the Scottish and Welsh.

olias

5:29 pm on Mar 18, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I rank second on google (I will get those firsts next month ;) ) for each of "keyword uk/scotland/england", my referals for the last two days are:-
UK 16
England 2
Scotland 4

webdiversity

12:51 am on Mar 20, 2002 (gmt 0)

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<2p's worth>With so many of the search engines offering up regional varieties of results and offering to search in the UK or the entire WWW I'd have thought that UK would be the most important variety</2p's worth>

You can also place <meta http-equiv="Content-Language" content="en-gb"> in your meta headings but I don't really know how much extra traffic that'll generate for you.

Unless you are offering a very localised product/service surely it's better to cast the net wide ? If you want to capture local business then Business Links, Chamber of Commerce, may be more benificial and rewarding, but sadly they don't show up on log files.......YET!

IanTurner

8:46 am on Mar 20, 2002 (gmt 0)

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webdiversity, most 'experienced' web users will use UK only search when required, however joe public users probably don't (look at the number of keyword UK and similar referrals) These peole have searched, found only US sites and tried again IMHO.

You are right in that how you promote depends on your site and target market. I have one site who is happy to be in the top ten for his home town and doesn't want any more out of his site, others who want number 1 on Google.com

4eyes

11:01 am on Mar 20, 2002 (gmt 0)

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FWIW I never use the 'uk' versions of search engines except to do ranking check for client pages.
I don't trust them to do anything other than filter by a .co.uk domain name (some exceptions of course).

I prefer to use 'uk', 'england' etc in the search string 'cos it gives me more control.

I may miss the odd site that hasn't bothered to include any location info, but I still get better results IMO.

When doing SEO on a client site there is loads of almost free traffic to had by targetting the local regions.

A restuarants catchment area includes many regions and people do search for 'restaurant preston' etc and the 'hit' is worth more than a hit for 'restaurant uk'