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6:11 am on Aug 22, 2000 (gmt 0)

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......Cancelled.Abandoned etc.
7.00am BBC Breakfast News. No one ever used it. It never got off the ground BT/Oftel/MacDonalds and even Patrick Viera are being blamed. Great publicity Stunt ;) ???


8:01 am on Aug 22, 2000 (gmt 0)

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makes you wonder how many more ISP are going to pull there so called free access.

Think their suddenly realizing they can't make as much if any money out of the internet thingy !!!


8:56 am on Aug 22, 2000 (gmt 0)

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The other thread [webmasterworld.com] on it.

It is a different story in over their in England where it is pay by the minute. With BT's strangle hold on the telecom industry, it just seems like they are where we were in the 70's before the breakup of AT&T. Pay-for-play will change your entire view of the internet.

I just don't get how Alta figured they could provide the service in the first place. This can't bode well for them. I can't recall a company their size ever making such a huge mistake.

btw: because we have such a large following in the UK, I have done everything I can here to reduce the size of page and reduce load time.


10:28 am on Aug 22, 2000 (gmt 0)

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Hi Brett
Thanks for the cross reference- I hadnt realised that BBC online had run the story 12 hours earlier.

BT introduced a payment scheme called Surftime that will allow 24 hour unlimited access or Free Access 1800 til 0800 and all weekend. The so called lower access chages are a joke as they are more than you can already get from other calltime providers such as Cable and Wireless.

Due to the idio scyncies of Oftel the telecom watchdog, BT's own ISP BT Internet was not allowed to offer unlimited access to their regular users except via some weird overpriced business package. The take up has been small.

This is a crazy country.
As an example GAS and ELECTRICITY supplies were de-regulated.
It is now cheaper to Buy Gas from Eastern Elecricity and buy ELECTRICITY from British Gas. In our country we call that progress.....but at least we haven't got George (Insincere)Bush and Al Bore ;)


4:41 pm on Aug 22, 2000 (gmt 0)

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Thanks for the info. I didn't know Surftime was quite that good. I thought it was 11pm-8am thing. So, that isn't near as bad as it used to be. Is cable very widespread over there? Is this why we've seen such a increase in UK net activity including SEO and search engine related?

Todays story on alta [theregister.co.uk].


10:38 pm on Aug 22, 2000 (gmt 0)

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>I didn't know Surftime was quite that good

It isn't. The basic one is 6pm to midnight and all w/e to Sunday midnight. There is a new one coming on (supposedly already there - but only in a few areas) which goes on till 8am

Like everyone else, they say its starts on a certain date. One or two months later it's still not available to most.

>Is cable very widespread over there

for cities and large towns, yes - but not if you're a mile off the beaten track. However, Cable & Wireless (also=ntl) provide free 0800 via BT as well as cable (as long as you use their service for the phone too) That's how ntl can afford free access, they're pinching more BT customers.

BT are bringing in ADSL - again supposedly started but only for large business customers at present, though they originally promised private customers for August. They 'hope' to cover 90% of UK in the next 2 years.


11:04 pm on Aug 22, 2000 (gmt 0)

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>Pay-for-play will change your entire view of the internet.

And how. I was involved in a programming forum in which the Brits kept screaming about needing to delete items that US-based sites wanted, browser-based admin scripts for instance. It turns out that admins in pay-for-play countries want offline capabilities. Not too difficult to understand why, but it just didn't occur to us until they howled. I'd be interested to know if browser-based services like Hotmail are avoided for this reason.

mark roach

1:06 am on Aug 23, 2000 (gmt 0)

I think hotmail is used quite widely over here, but only as a secondary email facility. If you have ever read more than a couple of emails (with all the associated advertising banners) on a 33K modem, when you are paying 5p per minute for the pleasure, you will quickly understand why hotmail is not used a main email account by many people.


6:23 am on Aug 23, 2000 (gmt 0)

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Hi Oldtimer
I've had Surftime since the end of June (Typical balls-up some areas weren't ready and due to a BUG BT Internets existing customers weren'e allowed to sign into it for a few weeks)
There are two 0844 access numbers one is free 6pm to 8am and the other is 2p per minute at other times (which is what C&W charge on some of their call plans anyway. ;)
Details here: [btinternet.com...]
Its the Surftime Unlimited that has caused the problems as very few ISP's are signed into BT to offer it


12:12 pm on Aug 23, 2000 (gmt 0)

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Hi Videoman

Yes, I've had the original surftime from June too but I got so fed up with them moving the goalposts, I signed on with ntl too. As long as I spend 10 pm on ordinary phone calls, its free 24 hrs

I phoned BT a week or so back and the 'new' surftime "isn't available" in my area yet!!


5:47 pm on Aug 29, 2000 (gmt 0)

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Re Surftime - can't add a url for this..

SurfTime is all washed up

24 August - DN Wire -- BT's unmetered service has failed to attract customers and ISP partners, it emerged yesterday.
According to figures released by BT, SurfTime has a mere 200,000 subscribed users, despite the telecom giant spending around 20 million on promoting the service. Not only does the actual number of users fall well short of BT's projections, but the figures translate into a cost of 100 per customer - not particularly impressive.

The company insists that it is pleased with the latest figures, arguing that the holiday season is traditionally a slow period. Nevertheless, yesterday's announcement will be seen by many as proof that BT hasn't done itself any favours with its arguably obstructive antics over flat-rate Internet access.

SurfTime has been looking unsteady ever since its inception. Shortly before the service was launched at the start of June, industry regulator Oftel forced BT to provide an alternative unmetered package to Internet service providers (ISPs). At the time, a combination of technical problems and pricing issues caused many to write off BT's service altogether. Errol Ziya, a campaigner for unmetered Internet access in the UK, said "SurfTime will either fade away or be radically overhauled...the numbers just never added up."

In fact, BT has only managed to attract five ISPs to SurfTime, and two of those are BT Click and BT Internet. The comment made by a BT spokesman back in June - "if neither ISPs nor the public want [SurfTime], it will die a death" - is now looking eerily prophetic.



5:26 am on Aug 30, 2000 (gmt 0)

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...as one of the 200,000.....I signed up for the convenience of my bill being paid within the telecom Direct Debit and for the extra Free time namely midnight to 8.00am Sunday to Friday. All other Free time at Evenings and weekends were already offered by BT Internet and the total cost remained unchanged. The new daytime rate was equivalent to CW's rates anyway. The Unlimited option was not available from BTInternet only BT Cick and this is all due to Oftel and their involvement in totally screwing the whole thing up.

Now the Big question- will it get relaunched BEFORE I get a hit from Essex Pages????

Incidently, over the past two weeks I've been getting some enquiries originating from SCOOT- anything been happening there?


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