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My UK IP number changed, and so did my results :(

         

tigertom

2:41 pm on Apr 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I moved my .com site to a UK web server, on a shared UK IP. It worked. Google started listing it under 'UK only' searches.

Then I asked for a dedicated UK IP number for my site. Got it 17th March. Just noticed yesterday, after a week or do decline in hits, that I wasn't now coming up in the 'UK only' results.

I checked with the ISP and whois, and and my new number is listed as GB all right.

Any clues? Google using old database? New IP = Google takes a few weeks to catch up?

Cheesed off at the mo' :(

glengara

3:13 pm on Apr 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Sounds odd, use this tool to triple check your new IP is recognised as UK

#*$!.com/tools/website-country/

Several years ago it took G 5 weeks to pick up my changed hosting/IP, things have improved since then though ;-)

Digital point seems to have been snipped,

tigertom

3:28 pm on Apr 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Thanks for that. I managed to find the site you were referring to. It gave some smart-aleck answers, which I assume means it can't determine where my site is.

diddlydazz

3:34 pm on Apr 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

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hi tigertom

i have just had exactly the same problem!

moved IP (dedicated which is irrelevant) and dropped out of G .co.uk results.

i have since put these hobby sites on a dedicated server, now im just waiting for G to catch up.

have you done a reverse DNS?

what tools have you tried?

Dazz

tigertom

3:42 pm on Apr 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

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1. RIPE Whois
2. Search in Google for 'website country tool'. I've got a thread going on in the forum there as I write, as it's giving some 'smart-ar*e' results.

tigertom

3:42 pm on Apr 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

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PS: How long ago did you change IP?

tigertom

3:47 pm on Apr 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Reverse DNS reports:

"No PTR records exist for ..." my IP number.

Is that bad?

diddlydazz

3:50 pm on Apr 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

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3 weeks or so

make sure the reverse DNS is set up correctly (my host never), also ask the host how long ago they bought the IP block, as another member suggested in another thread.

I know Google used to use a few geo companies, but im not sure if they still do and so far cant find out if they still use a third party or their own in-house DB.

It may be the database Google are using is outdated, but in my case it was down to the host not setting things up right, in fact all of the .com sites on my old host's block are out of .co.uk results (with filter)

find out how long the host has had the block.

diddlydazz

3:54 pm on Apr 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Reverse DNS reports:

"No PTR records exist for ..." my IP number.

Is that bad?

Reverse DNS is only used for some Apps, reverse DNS should always point back to its hostname.

tigertom

4:09 pm on Apr 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Thanks for that. I've taken it up with my web host. I'm off to the caff, as low blood sugar is making me tetchy.

glengara

6:27 pm on Apr 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

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A while ago my host bought a bunch of Dutch IPs, until they were re-registered as Irish, a number of sites fell out of the "pages from Ireland" results.

They don't have to re-register them, and some UK hosts are using foreign IPs that were never changed.

tigertom

9:58 pm on Apr 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Well, my web host has now enabled reverse DNS. The IP block I'm on was bought over two months ago.

May have to revert to the old IP, if this keeps up. Hey ho.

jmccormac

10:17 pm on Apr 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Glengara - was that a bunch of Irish sites hosted in Dutch IP space that were later registered as Irish (a West coast of Ireland ISP)? The main group of IPs was still classified as Dutch and would show up as being Dutch. Only by going deeper into mapping subnets would they show up as Irish.

Some IP>country mapping services and companies do not go to the WHOIS or subnet resolution. All they do is to check the delegated lists of IPs (the coarse resolution lists) to generate their IP>country maps. As a result small subnets of sites can end up in being classified with the wrong country.

IPs are not bought and sold as such. They are allocated by the ISP or RIPE etc. Sometimes the ISP or hoster may not bother filling out a new RIPE application for the group of IPs and they will still appear as being from the same country as the ISP or hoster.

Regards...jmcc

glengara

10:22 pm on Apr 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

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*a West coast of Ireland ISP?*

Hi J, no it was an east coast one, not sure if they'd bother to have have changed them without my input though :-(

tigertom

5:30 pm on Apr 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Sent a fax to Google about my problem. Got an email reply, asking me to send details to another of their departments. So we'll see what happens.

If they don't fix it, I suppose I'll ask my web host to move it back to the old IP.

Onders

9:27 pm on Apr 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Wouldnt you get round this whole problem by just hosting your DNS on a UK server, and having the nameservers pointing to your site host, wherever you want it to be?

tigertom

9:47 pm on Apr 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

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errr....

1. I don't understand.

2. If Google does use Geo-location to check the IP number, how would that help?

Onders

10:07 pm on Apr 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I don't pretend to know much about this, but if you have your name hosted in a certain country then if Google is using Geolocation, would this also be taken into consideration? I'm currently looking to move my site abroad as am using ridiculous amounts of bandwidth, but need to keep coming up in UK searches. I was hoping that this may be a solution! Emphasis on 'hoping'!

jmccormac

2:15 am on Apr 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Hi J, no it was an east coast one, not sure if they'd bother to have have changed them without my input though

Sounds like they got a new block of IPs Glengara,
Most IPs from RIPE are intially seen as Dutch until the databases that Google relies on updates.

Regards...jmcc

jmccormac

2:22 am on Apr 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Wouldnt you get round this whole problem by just hosting your DNS on a UK server, and having the nameservers pointing to your site host, wherever you want it to be?

Not quite Onders,
The country in the geo-ip databases are based on the IP of the webserver rather than IP the nameserver.

Regards...jmcc

tigertom

2:37 am on Apr 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Re: bandwidth.

You might consider splitting your site, and putting the high bandwidth stuff on a foreign server, while keeping the pages Google likes on a UK/Eire server.

Onders

8:40 am on Apr 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

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thanks for putting me right on that - could have been an expensive and very big mistake to make! As to splitting the site, thats an interesting idea. Most of my traffic goes to cgi pages which Google doesn't index anyway. Is splitting the site a common thing thing though?

tigertom

1:09 pm on Apr 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I don't know how common it is.

I did it with a site that has popular chat rooms. Bought another domain name, pointed it to the same directory as the main domain name, reconfigured the rooms to match the new domain, and moved the main domain to the UK.

The only thing is: cookies. They can only be retrieved by the domain that sets them. Could cause you headaches.

As my rooms aren't that important, I was happy to leave them on another server. My shop, for example, had to move, as it uses cookies.

Bit if a fiddle, but worth it. You just need to think it through.