OS X / OS 9 partition Help!

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OS X / OS 9 partition Help!

I made the partition but I think something went wrong

alarix

8:17 pm on Mar 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

I'm not sure if this topic is allowed but I have to try. I've been unable to find any answer to this issue. I created a partition for OS 9 and one for OS X on the new G4 (yay). I followed the directions i found at mactech or some site like that. I assumed that the OS 9 system folder would install on the OS 9 partition. But instead it is in a folder on the OS X partition, along with the OS 9 software apps.

I assume it's better to have the OS 9 system folder on the OS 9 partition - that being the whole point of the operation. But what do I do now, to move it? And once I move it, do I need to then uninstall the OS 9 apps from the OS X partition and reinstall them on the OS 9?

I already copied over all my files, etc from the G3 before noticing this so if there's some way to do it (if it's even necesary) without having to do a complet re-install of everything I'd be very grateful to hear about it.

grnidone

2:01 am on Mar 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

Welcome to WebmasterWorld, Alarix.

I think you've stumped some of the moderators here, so I'm going to take a shot at it.

As I understand you don't *have* to have OS 9 in its own partition. I could be wrong so lemme dig through some of my MacAddicts magazine. I *know* I saw a reference to this.

Standby.

grnidone

2:25 am on Mar 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

Wait a minute I understand, OS9 should make a new system folder on its own. So..if you boot up in OSX, can't you just move the ap files to the OS9 partition? Then, boot up in OS9 and it should rewrite a new system folder...

(MacGuru..help me out on this...)

alarix

2:37 am on Mar 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

you do not HAVE to partition. however it is recommended for smoother operation of both systems, since they're sharing a HD ...

here's a file tree "drawing" to answer the last post:

[OS X PARTITION: 80 gigs]
¦
¦
--------os x system folder
¦
---------os 9 system folder
¦
-------os x apps folder
¦
--------os 9 apps folder

[OS 9 PARTITION: 20 gigs]
¦
-------copy of acrobat reader that got in there somehow
-------NOTHING ELSE IS HERE

so, i believe that to move the apps, i have to reinstall them (to cope with preferences, extensions, etc) and thus to run the 9 apps from the 9 partition, doesn't the 9 partition have to contain the 9 system folder?

can i simply copy/paste the system folder? that seems too easy ...

john316

2:38 am on Mar 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

You don't need separate partitions.

Install OSX > Boot into OSX> Run the OS 9 restore disk.

That will give you both systems on the same partition.

grnidone

2:59 am on Mar 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

I don't think you have to reinstall the aps on the OS9, just drag and drop them.

john316

3:05 am on Mar 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

You will need to copy over your old set of 9 extensions/preferences to make your apps run like they used to.

You could actually just drag and drop the entire system folder.

alarix

3:18 am on Mar 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

i'll try it all tomorrow and let you know what happens ... thanks

transistor

4:00 am on Mar 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

It shouldn't be a problem for OS 9 to be dragged-and-droppped (including applications) to the other partition.

It is not the same for OS X. You just can't drag-and-drop the whole thing and expect it to work.

Good luck anyway and let us know!

alarix

4:42 pm on Mar 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

ok, i did the drag n drop, which of course copied everything over just fine. Now I'm finding that I cannot remove the system folder for OS 9 from the OS X partition, since, even though I own this computer, I do not have root access to it! I'm sure there's a way to change the permissions, but I haven't found it yet. Sigh.

Anyway, even if I launch a software from the OS9 partition, it loads OS9 from the original 9-system folder on the OS X partition ....

john316

5:14 pm on Mar 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

From help:

Resetting your administrator password

Insert the Mac OS X CD and double-click Install Mac OS X. When the Installer appears, choose Reset Password from the Installer menu. Follow the onscreen instructions to change the password. Quit the Installer and restart your computer while holding down the mouse button to eject the CD.

transistor

6:16 pm on Mar 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

Alarix: have you tried the Startup Disk control panel?
Start with OS 9 and open the Startup Disk control panel.
You should see the two partitions and their OSs.
You should be able to select the OS 9 partition and restart.
If you do, when you restart you should be able to trash the OS 9 from the OS X partition.

alarix

7:01 pm on Mar 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

it only shows the mac os x startup disk (and a network startup disk)

bodine

9:34 pm on Mar 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

If you start up the Mac with the "Option" key held down, what startup disks does it show?

added: Wait a minute...I am confused. What, in essence, are we trying to do? Are you wanting to boot into OS 9? Or do you just want OS 9 on another partition for safety's sake?

transistor

10:40 pm on Mar 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

Does the OS 9 System Folder in the OS 9 partition, show the Mac OS icon or is it a plain folder icon?
If there is no icon this could mean that the folder is not "blessed", that is, recognized as a System Folder.
That would explain why it doesn't show up at the Startup Disk control panel.
If this is the case, then I don't know how to "bless" it (perhaps, call your minister? ;) just kidding), so I guess a fresh OS 9 install would be necessary (but only the OS, not the apps. Just make sure you save your apps. extensions).

If the Mac OS icon shows at the System Folder, it puzzles me why it won't show up a the Startup Disk control panel.

You could erase the OS 9 stuff from your OS X partition using the Terminal, but that requires you to be brave and know exactly what you are doing because the operation will be unrecoverable.

alarix

12:34 am on Mar 29, 2003 (gmt 0)

what we're trying to do is have OS 9 and OS X on different partitions for "health" reasons ... (health of my computer that is)

I thought I took care of it when I initially created the partitions, but it appears not. then we got sidetracked on how exactly, to move the 9 stuff from the X partition to the 9 partition ... :)

and no, the copied sys folder is NOT blessed, it may, in fact be possessed however ...

it would appear that a total reinstall of 9 and all apps is in order, which i was hoping to avoid.

bodine

2:13 am on Mar 29, 2003 (gmt 0)

Ok...I think I understand. If it were me, I would keep all of the OSs on one partition. I have had everything on one since 10.0, and have had no problems. (I kept the OS X beta on a separate one, but, it was a beta.) That's just my opinion. So, if you want, you may be able to do what you want.

You may have one of them there new G4s that will only allow booting into X, huh? If so, I don't know what kind of strangeness you may have with the OS 9 system folder. I don't even think your minister could help.

If not, you should be able to do a clean install of OS 9 onto that other partition and it would be happy. Used to be, all that was needed for a blessed system folder was a Finder and a System file. It now needs a bit more. But, if you do a clean install on that one partition, you will be fine. As transistor said, you should not have to do the apps, just the system. BTW, what G4 did you buy?