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Am i the last lazy ASP writer in the world?

and if so someone help

         

jimilives

9:03 pm on Jul 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Ok so I got asp, its my bread and butter, and it makes my life better
( IF request("life") = "sitting in front of my damn pc all day" THEN)

But in all seriousness I just cant figure out why to bother with ASP.net can someone with out a bunch of attitude like "you would be stupid to ever use asp" explain the benefits of learning yet another reinvention of a propriotory software? I have checked out PHP makes ASP look like rocket science, but havent commited to changing anything yet, if it aint broke dont fix it (WHERE current_money = Future_money)

bcolflesh

9:10 pm on Jul 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I have checked out PHP makes ASP look like rocket science...

Yikes!

TheNige

10:57 pm on Jul 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

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If it aint broke then don't fix it.

But in my opinion, I can do anything in ASP.Net easier than what I could do in ASP.Old.

Get a book, look at online tutorials and try it yourself.

mrMister

12:27 pm on Jul 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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ASP.Net, once learnt, allows you to be even lazier!

The large library of objects in the .Net framework means that less new code needs to be written and there's less need for externally written components.

So the sooner you learn it, the sooner you can become even lazier!

mrMister

12:48 pm on Jul 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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My advice for anyone wanting to learn ASP.Net without taking time out, is to slowly progress.

You can write most code in ASP.Net/VB.Net in roughly the same way as you do with ASP/VBScript.

In ASP.Net, there's equavalents to most of the ASP objects. You can still Response.write your ouput to the browser, you can still use The Session object. And you can still use COM, so you don't have to ditch RecordSets for DataSets just yet.

You will immediately see an improvement in performance as the bytecode for VB will run faster than the interpreted VBScript.

As you get used to the environment, you can learn the new features of ASP.Net at your own pace and slowly switch over to the .Net way of doing things, taking advantage of new features where it makes sense.

Easy_Coder

2:12 pm on Jul 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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You have to ask yourself where your money is going to come from over the next 5 years... could be open source stuff, might be microsoft stuff, what if its both? Defining your own personal future goals will easily help you make that call.

You're not the last to migrate though. There are a lot of asp 1.0-3.0 adopters that didn't migrate to .net for lots of reasons. Here are some that I've seen:

- If it ain't broke... like you said.

- The bar is higher now and so is the learning curve. (I believe this was done purposely)

- Microsoft stuff isn't free.

- Adoption doubt. Some ISVs do not believe the adoption numbers that microsoft is reporting. (Balmer stated something like 43% of the dev community has adopted .net? really? show of hands who believes its that high?)

- THIS ONE IS CRITICAL --> VC's are not showing the love to .net based apps at nearly the same rate as open source apps.

My career has relied on microsoft technologies heavily over the last 10 years and I jumped right into .net while it was in beta but now I'm having a real problem with the adoption rate and the fact that the VCs are calling microsoft dead. So if your building stuff and looking for VC money you might want to really take a close look at whats being said/done in the VC community about .net while defining your goals.

Isn't software fun?

Scally_Ally

9:48 am on Aug 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

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For my line of work i do alot of content managed systems for different sites, and my prefered language is asp.
if i did learn .NET do you think that it would benefit me greatly in this particular field?
Also i mixing of flash/actionscript with asp and php, would .NET be able to work in the same way and as easily?
Ally

mrMister

11:59 am on Aug 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

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For my line of work i do alot of content managed systems for different sites, and my prefered language is asp.
if i did learn .NET do you think that it would benefit me greatly in this particular field?

Yes, Greatly.

I specialise in CMS, and without wanting to give my secrets away, re-usability is the key to effiency (and therefore profitability) with CMS systems. .Net makes writing reusable code much easier.

BradleyT

9:30 pm on Aug 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I coded classic ASP for 2 years and I'm going on 2 years of asp.net.

I cringe when I get a project to maintain/upgrade that was written in classic asp.

Once you learn it (the curve can be steep) the development time you save is amazing.

I just went to an MSDN demo for asp.net 2.0 and the guy created a product listing page with sorting and paging and a link to a detail page which allowed editing of the product - without a single line of code - not even a databind or sqladapter.

You will save many hours of development time once you get past the learning curve.

lovethecoast

1:07 am on Aug 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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- THIS ONE IS CRITICAL --> VC's are not showing the love to .net based apps at nearly the same rate as open source apps.

Care to back that statement up?

S

Easy_Coder

10:48 am on Aug 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Care to back that statement up?

lovethecoast... I've been on vacation.

Yeah just go read the scoble blog over the last month and you'll see a Microsoft employee saying the same thing. He also links/posts to a couple of VCs that chimed in too.