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Frontpage Shared Border Mishap

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5:03 pm on Jul 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Recently the site I work for decided it would be a good idea to add shared borders but as it turned out we've lost all of the decent placement we had at google because of it.

Now I've been tryin SSI include statements and have got it to work on individual pages. Is it possible to set up these SSI statements in the shared borders using Frontpage 2000?

Is it true that by using this SSI statements in place of a shared border that spiders won't search the entire navigation we have set up.

Any help would be definetly appreciated.



10:14 pm on Jul 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I don't know anything about shared borders in FrontPage, but SSIs are no problem for search engines. SSIs are parsed by the server and the included material is inserted into the document before the page is served -- that applies equally to SE spiders as well as browsers. The spider doesn't even know there was any server-side parsing being done, any more than your browser knows.

So as long as the included file itself is readable by the spider, no problem.


10:33 pm on Jul 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

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buscemifan, how do you know that your drop in Google was caused by the shared borders after you implemented it?


2:17 pm on Jul 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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our site has some items that are pretty unique that we had top results for. now all that shows up is our affiliates and we don't. that's why we think our results have been affected.

The site has been redesigned because we spoke to someone who said what ever you see on teh view source that's what the spiders read and even with SSI, it was showing up.


[edited by: Woz at 7:06 am (utc) on July 20, 2004]
[edit reason] No site reviews please, see TOS. [/edit]


12:30 am on Jul 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

I've been using FP Shared Borders for nearly three years, and I get thousands of Google referrals a day. (I also rank #1 for most of my most important keyphrases.)

So I don't think Shared Borders are your problem--it's more likely that something else affected your rankings or listings. Is it possible the server was down when Googlebot tried to visit? Or that you've been using an aggressive SEO technique that may have got into trouble? Forget about shared borders for a minute and think of all the other possibilities. Maybe something will jump out at you.

Also, if you want to use includes, you can do so easily with FrontPage Web Components in the Shared Borders or elsewhere on any page. It's been a while since I've used FP2000, but in FP2003 (which I'd strongly recommend that you upgrade to), the procedure is:

1) From the "Insert" menu, select "Web Component."

2) Select "Included Content" and "Page."

3) Enter or browse to the desired include page in the dialogue box and click "Finish."


7:41 pm on Jul 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

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thanks for all the help.

I'm wondering if it's allowed to post the site im working on and get commentary on what's been done.

I put meta tags, used title's with keywords.
We also got rid of a large left shared border and made an image map on top.

What do you guys think of image maps and does my site, specifically the home page have enough text and text links?

keywords gone for are: unique unusual and gifts.

Another question, is it true that Google frowns on mirror sites because we have multiple directing domains because our original and still in existence name is WonderfullyWacky.com, even now with BaronBob people think there's supposed to be two r's.

Thanks to everyone for their comments, I'm looking forward to some response to the site specifically. It's something I've never really gotten and don't blame me for the colors, the boss is a bit out there.



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