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I installed the new version on my home machine, but didn't upgrade my office copy yet thank god! The new version has given me tons of problems! I am assuming that this is because the 2002 extensions are not installed yet on my hosts servers? I am not a tech wiz so I am only guessing here. I can't use some of the new features they offer like log analyzing. I am assuming this is for the same reason.
Most of my problems occur when trying to save or publish pages to the host. I assume that is extension related on the hosts end. I haven't played with my other accounts yet, so I am not sure how my other hosts will do with the new software.
Anyone else having similar problems or know any solutions? I have a copy of Dreamweaver I bought but have never used it. Maybe this is a sign to learn Dreamweaver? *shrugs*
What a coincidence, huh? I guess that's because of all the "innovation" that goes into M$ products.
Check out Amazon and other places for the version 3 of Dreamweaver/Fireworks Studio. Last I saw it was only $150 for the combo. About the same price you pay for that FP junk.
You say you have DW? Dude....you know what to do. I used my old FP disks for skeet practice.
Ok Ok! I plan on installing Dreamweaver tonight, and learning to use it.
Actually I have been able to make my sites pretty compatible with Netscape using Frontpage by doing alot of hand editing, and checking in both browsers often.
At least this thread can provide a warning to anyone considering buying or upgrading Frontpage. :)
Hope this makes sense :o
Why did you say that, i really don't see :)
I began html with HotMetal from softquad (not really wysw...), after works a little with frontpage (lot of hand editing of course) and now i use dreamweaver.
I agree there is perhaps less functionnalities in other than FP but the code is cleaner in the other (it's my opinion and i share it :) )
I'm not going to go on about it but I used Frontpage (up to version 2000) for about 2-3 years and DW for about 1yr+. Until you really use Dreamweaver extensively you don't realise how many excellent features it has over Frontpage.
From what I see, that is a universal constant throughout the non-microsoft World. It is rare to find a group of webmasters who use or endorse FrontPage usage that are not under direct Microsoft control or heavy handed influence.
We've tried walking middle ground before on FrontPage and it just doesn't hold up under scrutiny. From the security holes in FrontPage extensions to the proprietary code that it produces, FrontPage has flatout been bad for the web, bad for webmasters, and bad for web users.
That is not to criticize those that use it. For many of us, it is just a question of education. By using FrontPage and it's extensions, you are hurting the web and hurting users by hurting usability and independence by not supporting accurate and honest web standards.
Many of us feel we are coming directly under attack by the Microsoft machine. Our sites, our operating systems, down to our content appears to be targeted for control by Microsoft. From the point of origin to the point of destination, Microsoft has worked their fingers into every step of our web lives. Therefore, anti-FP discussions around here are not about the people using, it is about self-preservation -- it's about education.
Many people just don't understand the problems with FP. It's not just the code it produces, or the extensions on the server. We can't go into line-by-line problem-by-problem details of FP because it's not *just* FP - it's the whole Microsoft control game. FP is just one aspect of that. Getting caught up in the minutia of FP is missing the overall picture.
So when these discussions come up, we try to give people alternative points-of-view and options like DreamWeaver.
>the thought of learning how to use something to do
>something that I already know how to do put me off the idea
That makes perfect sense. It is just another layer of abstraction that removes you one step from your site and users.
This is your ". ." . This is your ". ." . on drugs.
I have been "Forced" to work with FP on occasions and I say.
This is your ". ." . This is your ". ." . on FrontPage.
It has to be the worst product the Microsoft ever released!
I hang my head low after Brett comments, but have I have been satisfied with most of the Microsofts products I have used over the last ten years.
Some packages just require more tweaking to get the desired results.
I'll agree with knighty's statement above. FP can be a useful tool if your preferences are set up correctly and you understand html. Unfortunately, it does produce invalid proprietary code if you use the shortcut features that it provides such as themes or shared borders and all the other junk that is there for the new user to experiment with.
I've been using it since FP97 and won't use anything else just yet. I'm using FP2000 now and have been right after its official release. I won't upgrade to FP2002 until the bugs have been worked out.
View the site in my profile and you'll see what FP is capable of. Its not a graphical site, but I manage over 20 other sites that have all been built in FP and function almost trouble free across most browser platforms. The Mac has been an issue but I've managed to figure out what code FP generates that is not 100% compatible.
I purchased the Dreamweaver/Fireworks studio when it was at version 2.0 and found it to be a little too technical in some aspects, that was back then. Dreamweaver has its faults also and its just a matter of preference. FP in the wrong hands can wreak havoc. FP in the right hands can produce sites that are compliant and are pleasing to the eye. And on top of that, secure top positions in the search engines!