Text Editors VS Visual Editors

Is using a Text Editor an indication of HTML Brilliance?

[knighty]

eeek I wonder what im about to start off.

I Started off designing pages in notepad but soon discovered Frontapge which made table layout Sooo much easier. However Frontpage is Pants and i soon discovered the joys of Dreamweaver. Im design in dreamweaver but constantly view the source to tweak the pages etc

Anyway I seem to get the feeling that some people look down their noses at apps like Dreamweaver. Do hard coders pride themselves on their ability to 'hand code' and think that us WYSIWYG type people are big babies who cant handle the raw web?? or perhaps im being paranoid? Is everyone aware of how much hassle apps like DW can save?

Answers on a postcard to....

[rcjordan]

>I find it just sooo easy to hammer out sites for my clients that don't want any seo - ever.

You see, I have a problem with that concept. I can't fathom developing a site without thinking of the SEs from the ground up. Of course, I'm not exactly the hit of the party when someone brags on their website and I quip "When a tree falls in the forest..."

[grnidone]

>I find DW is really good for doing CSS as I didnt know diddly squat about CSS until DW. Now i cant imagine not using it.

It would not surprise me to find out the CSS problems I have had to deal with stemmed from user error. Sent you a sticky mail. See stickymail in the menu above the blue line at the top of the page.

-G

[oilman]

>>I can't fathom developing a site without thinking of the SEs from the ground up

me either but a lot of my clients simply want image sites for brick and mortar businesses

[TaTonka]

I've been a hardcoder from the beginning, one of the first advocates of BBEdit in the Mac. For you Windows users, BBEdit is a notepad with adrenalin injections. It's great software.

However, today my editor of choice is DreamWeaver 4 by a mile. Not only because creating CSS is a breeze, but because templates are a HUGE feature. Change something on a template and all pages based on that template change accordingly.

Also, now on DreamWeaver 4 there are three buttons on the toolbar that allow you to see the HTML code only, the WYSIWYG code only or both HTML and WYSIWYG! Yup, it splits the window in two and you can clearly see the the code and the changes in the result right then and there.

It also finally recognizes php files. I definitely recommend it for any professional website management and design.

[sean orourke]

I was surprised at how much this thread popped today... until I saw Oilman's confession. Oil, all I can say is it took guts, pure guts, although it might work against you when the next "real hombres" thread rolls around.

On the plus side, there might be a niche working with FP sites that other webmasters wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole. Personally, some potential FP clients scare the heck out of me, and some things aren't worth the money. More power to you, hombre. ;)

[oilman]

thanks sean - I feel much better ;)

I must clarify though - I can code by hand - I really can!!

[mivox]

Of course you can oil.... Really, we *do* believe you. Really we do. :)

::pats oil on the head::