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Eurotrader

7:59 am on Jul 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I would like to know if what I am doing is legal.

I have an informational content website which happens to generate revenue from selling ebooks. I copied another website's layout and design but changed the color, and removed several minor details but added all of my own titles, pictures, text content/articles, meta tags, etc.

This other website is in a completely different field than me-it is certainly not a competitor. I would never blatantly STEAL a website, but what I did is so hard for me to quantify, as this type of law is such a grey area. It tends to be more qualitative than quantitative.

My argument is that this web design that I copied is such a plain vanilla, elementary design. I mean there aren't 2 million ways of designing such a cut and dry web layout. But still I am paranoid about getting sued.

Does anyone have any ideas or information about situations like this? Is this grounds for legal ramifications? Thanks - I really appreciate any feedback!

Labyrinth

8:12 am on Jul 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

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My argument is that this web design that I copied is such a plain vanilla, elementary design.

It is always intriguing when people steal something and then claim the thing they snatched was not of great value -- then why bother stealing it?

If you've reached the point of asking yourself, "is it legal?", you've long since answered the question, "is it ethical?"

If you care about such things.

katana_one

12:29 pm on Jul 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

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>>But still I am paranoid about getting sued.

>>Does anyone have any ideas …

If you are so worried about being sued, why not just come up with your own layout?
Surely, you can come up with something better than this "plain vanilla, elementary design," right?

rogerd

1:14 pm on Jul 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Welcome to WebmasterWorld, Eurotrader. I suppose the test for infringement might hinge on a code comparison - if the HTML and/or stylesheets are so similar that it's unlikely that two designers would have arrived at them independently, you've got more of a problem.

I'll add to the chorus: while snagging good ideas from other sites is a long-standing tradition (and usually perfectly legal), completely swiping someone else's design is bad form. Why just copy another site, particularly if the design isn't all that great? You'll sleep better if you do this the right way and either change the code & design enough to make it unrecognizable, or better, come up with your own design.

Leosghost

1:31 pm on Jul 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

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isn't "Eurotrader" ..as a trademark in use all over Europe?....In the long run Originality pays off

buckworks

2:00 pm on Jul 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

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It would depend on what exactly you copied and how you copied it. If you swiped someone else's source code and just replaced a few details, that's definitely crossing the line.

If you saw a basic layout you liked, and wrote your own code to achieve something similar, that's likely okay.

Up to a point, it's no problem if your site uses design concepts that are similar to other sites, just as it's no problem that most cars have four wheels and a steering wheel. It's important to develop your own approach for the distinctive details, though. You'll get further ahead on the web if you find user-friendly ways to be original. Ethical and practical reasons support each other here.

If you need help with basic layouts, look around for tutorial or discussion sites. There are lots of places where people share ideas freely to help you get started legitimately.

BigDave

4:15 pm on Jul 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

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To start with, what country are you in? Your answer will vary depending on where you are.

In the US, it would really depend on whether HTML would be considered computer code, art, or literature. I somehow suspect that it would be considered computer code, because that is where lawyers would probably stick it (though it really does not meet that qualification).

Then if it is considered computer code, did you take bits and pieces of it, or did you grab the whole page, strip out the content and replace it with yours?

In computer code, when there is a limited number of ways to achieve something efficiently, that code segment is not proteced by copyright. So you can, with a clear conscience copy that code fragment. For example:


for (redwidget = count = 0; widget[count]; ++count) {
if (widget[count] == red)
redwidget++;
}

This code has multiple ways to do the same thing. but a limited number of ways to do it efficiently. Even using the same variable names will not cause problems, because they are obvious and there are a limited number of choises that would make sense. This can acutally apply to very large code fragments, especially where there are well defined algorithms for what must be done, such as for mathematical functions

But if you have a lot of those code fragments put together in the same order, and the only reason is that you copied all of them together, you will have a much more difficult case. Then if you start getting into look and feel issues, they will probably be able to nail you to the wall.

Of course that only applies to US copyright law. it is my understanding that european countries can be much more strict.

Like the others said, if it is such plain vanilla, why bother copying it. Look at their page, see what they did, then do something similar

lucertola

9:28 am on Jul 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Sorry if this veers the question in another direction -- but another idea is to make good use of the projects open source web directory, where folks share designs/templates etc that you can always customize...If you're looking for something basic anyway it's good place to start & you aren't at risk of stealing anything

charlier

11:59 am on Jul 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

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May be a silly question but did you contact the other website and ask if you can use their layout. I think you would have a good chance of them saying ok, and if not maybe a couple hundred euros would buy you the right to use it.