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They Stole My Site

stolen web site makes me sad

         

jeff

3:54 pm on Nov 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Ok some jerk stole my site. (I am slowly accepting this)

How do I perserve the evidence of the theft? I am concerned that the theft could be covered up if I don't get a copy of the theif's site. Is there a way that would hold up in court to record the site's code?

Thanks for any help.

rogerd

4:19 pm on Nov 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Hi, Jeff, welcome to WebmasterWorld. If you scroll through some recent posts in this forum, you'll find plenty of good advice on how to deal with content theft. Also check the library and charter links above for some good resources.

Here are a couple of recent threads:
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Keep in mind is that it is unlikely that this will go to court. Site rip-off artists usually move onto other pastures when their action is discovered and their web host is contacted. Nevertheless, having your documentation in order is always a good thing.

One way to look at what a site looked like in the past is the Wayback Machine at alexa.com. Good luck!

jeff

5:35 pm on Nov 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Alexa does not have this site indexed. It was stollen only about 25 days ago. Anyone else have any other suggestions?

Also the company that did the stealing is a major US Corporation not a fly by night individual so I really want to do the right thing.

As my original post asked I am only interested in ways to perserve the evidence of the copyright violation.

Thanks.

lbobke

5:35 pm on Nov 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Don't know enough about the legal aspects of this, but when it comes to demonstarting that your site was up earlier, the way back machine ( ht*p://www.archive.org/ ) might be useful.
I found 47 snapshots of my main domain there, going back to 1999...

They always are about 1/2 a year "late" though.

Laurenz

markass11

6:02 pm on Nov 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

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what is your business?
does it relate to the art industry, because I too am having problems with my site "disappearing"... every time it gets listed.

markass11

rogerd

6:27 pm on Nov 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Administrator 10+ Year Member



A major corporation ripped off your site only a few weeks after it was published? That's different than the usual story here, where an under-the-radar ripoff artist copies a well-established, well-ranked site..

I'd contact your web host and find out for which dates they have backup tapes. File creation date information, even if from a current backup, might also be helpful.

If there is value in this content, I'd certainly involve a lawyer, as there are probably ways to handle and document this evidence that will maintain its admissability and credibility.

It seems hard to believe that a major corporation would pull something like this, although I've seen SEOs working on corporate accounts do some marginal stuff that their client probably knew nothing about. Once you have your dates and evidence lined up, I'd contact the company, probably through your lawyer. Lay out the details, and you could find the problem vanishing very quickly.

The last thing a major company wants to do is blatantly rip off a small business. It's bad PR, and their deep pockets make them vulnerable to a jury that sympathizes with the little guy. Be sure your lawyer puts plenty of words about damages in the initial contact - direct, consequential, punitive. Maybe even throw in a mention of RICO. I bet they'll fix the problem quickly.

jeff

7:11 pm on Nov 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



rogerd, thanks for all the help!

I am in the business of generating sales leads. (I sold out long ago from art) :)

Again Thanks.

Hawkgirl

2:51 am on Nov 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

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It also depends on what you mean by "They stole my site."

Did they take word-for-word content? Or did they launch a site with the same niche product as you? Did they replicate your UI exactly, or does it just look kind of similar?

There are lots of shades of grey when it comes to "stolen" sites. I've had every one of the above things happen to me - and depending on which thing is happening, you'll want to take different action.

jeff

4:16 am on Nov 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

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These people actually took the source code in it entirety and put it on their server. It is literally word for word the same for a 35 page complete site. The only thing is the mail-to on the submission pages is redirected to their email address and database.

Here is the real kick in the butt... they left my email address on the front page but in white text... Literally it has my finger prints all over it. It's an exact copy. :(

(stolen web site makes me sad)

jeff

4:20 am on Nov 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



another fun note. because the stolen copy is an exact copy it will rank identical to mine in the search engines. (the site is very optimized and several pages on the original site are indexed)

too much information

5:02 am on Nov 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



I'd grab a couple screen captures of their (your) site. If you have to highlight your e-mail address to get it to show up, do that and capture the screen again. With that and your site in the Wayback listings you should have a clear case.

Then call your lawyer. :)

Hawkgirl

8:47 am on Nov 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



Yow! Then, as quickly as you can, gather your evidence as rogerd suggested, and do your best to go get 'em.

Good luck.