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Content then keywords, or....

Keywords then content?

         

jackofalltrades

11:16 am on Oct 9, 2002 (gmt 0)



Or both?

For my site i write the content (its 90% in the form of articles). Then I stick in the keywords that relate to the articles.

My thought on the matter is that this way, regardless of my rankings (good or bad), then at least i can say my content is relevant to the users who come across it.

However, I have seen that some web designers will identify the keywords that their target market will search for and write their content around that.

Personally I dont think there's much wrong with this (after all, if you have a shop, you stock the products that your customers want - suppply and demand).

But, I think that given the way that users reach our sites (thru search engines) that this method can be misused (spam) and therefore runs the risk on envoking penalties. I also believe that if you put too much effort into this method, you can sacrifice the quality (and variety) of your content in exchange for high rankings and high traffic.

Which is your preference (ie, how much effort do you put into deciding what content to add to your site)? Do add what you want and optimise this, or do you go solely by what all the keyword tracking tools tell you people are searching for?

Just a thought! :)

JOAT

jackofalltrades

11:17 am on Oct 9, 2002 (gmt 0)



Whoo! Look at that! Im a full member now! ;)

chiyo

11:33 am on Oct 9, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Write the articles, then optimize! The other way around loses the natural style, and can often turn into boring copy. Writing becomes formula driven - as boring as your normal Hollywood movie. This way provides some interesting diversity and "character" in your site and will keep users once they find you. The other way people may not stay once they find you...

Congratualations on becoming a full member!

chiyo

11:35 am on Oct 9, 2002 (gmt 0)

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And remember the trend, IM (very) HO for search engines in the future will be to gradually decrease their reliance on on-page keywords..

jeremy goodrich

8:21 pm on Oct 9, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Agreed with Chiyo - write content, then optimize. Perhaps you can make small changes to improve the 'optimization' that don't interfer with the usability of the article.

At least, that's the way I do it - I've found when I just write about the subject at hand, it has a lot of the keywords I want in it.

The rest is just formatting in different ways for bots and visitors alike to enjoy the page as much as you did when you wrote it. :)

Terrier

10:32 pm on Nov 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Do the research know the target market, think about the person you are talking to and write for them interest and involve them. This is a very one to one medium.

Writing Copy while thinking about optimising will be dry as dust, I know and it’s a hard habit to break.

tedster

10:39 pm on Nov 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Well, I do it a bit differently. I do my keyword research first and create a text file with a pile of phrases.

Then I close that file and start writing copy - agreed, not with optimization in mind specifically. The optimization is a later step, so the content doesn't get all warped and artificial. That is, I don't just "write around" the keyword list.

But doing the keyword research first often gives me ideas that actually help the content -- by showing me something about how the average person thinks, what vocabulary they consider to be "in my territory" and so on. Sometimes I see an aspect of the topic that I was shortchanging with my initial concept.

Many times I've expanded one part of an article because of this, and sometimes I've even shifted gears in a major way.

mat_bastian

4:53 pm on Nov 7, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I sort of mirror what tedster does. It seems to help me in keeping my focus. I just figure that I usually only pick one or two key phrases per page so it seems really easy to incorporate them. I guess I really like to know my options first.

Dante_Maure

10:05 pm on Nov 7, 2002 (gmt 0)

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For the site I'm currently working on I'm using the following approach...

Define Long Term Goals For Site>

Keyword Research >

Break Key Phrases Into User Friendly Theme Groups >

Establish Internal Linking Strategy>

Outline Site Architecture >

Write Individual Pages Intuitively >

Tweak Individual Pages For Keyword Placement and Density>

Add Additional Links *in* Content Where Appropriate and Useful to the End User

Mardi_Gras

10:21 pm on Nov 7, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I used to just write. After I learned more, I started, writing, then optimizing. After reading Tedster's posts for almost a year, I now think about keywords first, then write, then tweak.

Far from being articial, I think developing keywords first can work like using an outline - it can help to keep your writing concise and to the point. Having a background in journalism, brevity was not always one of my traits!