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Someone turned my website into a book!

         

sportscliche

6:17 pm on Dec 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I suppose it was inevitable...someone took the content of my popular website, modified it, and turned it into a paperback book. It is self-published and sells on Amazon for $14.95.

My site has been up since 1999 and I've always had the copyright notice posted. I talked to an attorney today - he told me that since I did not have a registered copyright, attorney fees are not recoverable in litigation. And since the book is self-published, there is not likely to be much available in damage recovery anyway.

Any ideas?

Mike

hunderdown

8:43 pm on Jan 7, 2005 (gmt 0)



Amazon has had publicity recently about people misusing the review system, and that sounds like a further example.

What probably happened is that the "author" of the book complained about the negative review, claiming that the reviewer had it in for him, or something. Amazon promptly took it down.

He then asked three friends to post positive reviews. If they are all worded the same, you may be able to get THEM taken down too... But another course of action may suggest itself to you too.

PatrickDeese

8:53 pm on Jan 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Why don't you make your site into a book, and integrate some of the new ideas that *he* implemented - and sell it for $12.95 :o

toughturkey

2:04 pm on Jan 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I see 6 reviews, 3 of them are 5 star but the first 3 are 1 star.

I'd say that 2 of the reviews sound like the author himself since both start of by saying "I first saw this book on ESPN" or "After seeing this in Sports Illustrated". Who talks like that?

sportscliche

6:34 am on Jan 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Not any more you don't. The three negative reviews disappeared today, less than 18 hours after they were posted. Only the 5-star reviews remain now. In the span of three days, five negative reviews of the book were removed. Is the fox watching the henhouse at Amazon? This is just amazing.

rj87uk

9:34 am on Jan 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

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This is very bad, I hate it when someone does something like this.

I think everyone here should go make a review in amazon...

Dynamoo

2:56 pm on Jan 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Yeah I've been keeping an eye on it too.

Sales rank is about 50,000 though!

sportscliche

5:22 am on Jan 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Well the confrontation finally happened - the hijacker/book writer called me on the telephone. He threatened me with legal action for directing a campaign of negative reviews of his book on Amazon. He managed to trace one of the reviewers to a member of my family and made the connection. This review, however, was only one of perhaps a dozen negative reviews that appeared in a five day period. Every 1-star review was removed by Amazon at his request. Three 5-star "shill" reviews still remain as I type this.

I told him that threatening me was ludicrous if not silly. People are free to express their opinions, although in the case of this book evidently not since Amazon honors his request to censor reviews. (Keep that in mind when assessing Amazon reviews!)

He then claimed to have generated his book content independently, although he was 'aware' of my website. He said he had been building his collection long before my website was launched in 1999. But in his many interviews available on the web, he says that he started work on the idea during an airplane flight last year.

I told him the similarities are so strong it's hard to imagine people not being suspicious about the origin of his content. I went on to say that it made perfect sense to contact me before going to press for that very reason. He responded that he never dreamed there'd be a perception of plagiarism and strongly denys any exists.

His tone then changed -- he proposed we become partners. I could sell his book on my website and keep all the profits of sales generated there - roughly 7 bucks a book. He would also acknowledge the website in a 2nd printing (sales have been brisk). He also acknowledged that he had hired a publicist to get him his various national interviews to push the book.

I'm still mulling over the options. Part of me wants nothing to do with him or his book - even acknowledging its existence on the site is an endorsement of sorts. But since I can't sue him, this is probably the only way to see a smattering of compensation.

netguy

3:09 pm on Jan 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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sportscliche, while you determine whether his offer is worthwhile, you should consider having him put together a proposal that outlines all the terms and conditions.

My concern is with the $7 he says he will pass along to you on each book. If the Amazon rating is in the 50,000 area, he can't be selling many, so he is probably using Print-On-Demand (POD) publishing. Of course it depends on the number of pages, but check to see if there are any added fees taken out for small volume sales.

After you have read his fine print, you can then making a better decision on whether or not to proceed.

Steve

Dynamoo

5:23 pm on Jan 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Oh he's *really* a piece of work, isn't he?

I agree about the shill reviews.. at least two of the three are clearly written by the same person. But with that sales rank he surely can't be shipping that many?

It sounds like a good time to get legal advice, as if he's prepared to do what he's suggesting, is that not an admission of culpability?

toughturkey

11:30 pm on Jan 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

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$7 a book is surprising high profit off of 1 book isn't it? In any event, I wouldn't go into biz with a thief.

Sources seem to indicate that an amazon rank of 100,000 means you're selling 5 books a week. Your rank can fluctuate drastically day to day depending on sales.

sportscliche

5:09 am on Jan 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I tossed and turned on this for about a week and decided to reject the book writer/hijacker's offer. In the end, the principle of the thing won out -- I can't bring myself to deal with the guy and the potential money that may be slipping away by not selling 'his' book on my website just ain't worth it. As Tough Turkey points out, less than a book a day on Amazon (where many copies are already selling at a substantial discount to the list price) is not going to make this a NY Times bestseller. Ultimately, by agreeing to sell the book I am endorsing it. I cannot stomach that idea.

vkaryl

3:19 am on Jan 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Hard decision. (It would have been mine as well, which of course is of no benefit to you.)

However, I believe by taking this road you have maintained YOUR integrity. I believe that this action will be of benefit to you in the future.

Please let us know of any further salvos in this particular battle of the war....

sportscliche

4:11 am on Jan 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Vkaryl - thanks for your note of support. The only update I can provide at the moment involves the situation at Amazon. Several readers of this thread have contacted me privately about their inability to post reviews of the book there. Complaints have been sent to Amazon by those folks, but I do not know if any response has been received. Perhaps they can post here when that happens.

Probably the most astounding thing I've learned from this experience is that Amazon will work with sellers to manipulate product ratings.

vkaryl

4:24 am on Jan 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Y'know, the thing that amazes me the most is not that a major player would manipulate, but that it would do so for anyone besides an author of the status of John Grisham.... and that's not meant to denigrate YOU - I'm just not convinced that your rip-off artist is of the JG caliber (mind you, I don't thing JG writes well at all. However, he DOES sell books, and he DOES get HUGE amounts of money before he ever writes a word....)

So that leaves me wondering just WHO this bozo really is? And WHAT does he have going on with a major player of this nature? And I remember that a very clever attorney I know once told me, "follow the money"....

sportscliche

7:10 am on Jan 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Another short update... The hijacker called me on the phone again and asked if I knew anything about the latest 1-star review of his book that appeared on Amazon. Evidently, he thinks I am somehow responsible for anything negative connected with that damn book. I told him no and that it didn't matter anyway - he'd just call Amazon and get the bad review removed. He said he was going to do exactly this and indeed it disappeared within hours of his phonecall. The shill 5-star reviews remain.

Get this: He asked me if he could 'have' my mailing list so he could could market his book that way. Evidently, my low-key personality comes through very well on the phone! I told him (truthfully) that I don't have such a list. He asked again if I'd be willing to sell his book on my site...I could feel the rage building up inside and simply had to end the conversation.

I sure hope he never calls again.

aegir

3:27 pm on Jan 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I wonder if Amazon would remove 2 and 3 star reviews as well as the ones with just 1 star .....

Dynamoo

6:21 pm on Jan 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Yup.. this guy is a piece of work alright. I think that my advice is that you should no longer communicate with him on the phone or via email, and insist that all future offers or correspondence relating to the matter be done in writing. This way you have good, solid evidence in case it goes to court.

BigDave

7:26 pm on Jan 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Actually, you might want to take the mailing list suggestion. Either that or start a discussion forum on your own site.

Then go ahead and let him post, and let your users respond. It could do more for the reputation of his book than he could ever imagine.

sportscliche

7:55 am on Feb 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Been about a month since my last update; a few things have happened.

Four more shill 5-star reviews have gone up on Amazon. The book writer is simply not clever enough to disguise his obviously bogus self-reviews. They are so blatantly fake it's silly. That said, sales at Amazon have dropped considerably...the Amazon sales rank conversion chart provided by Tough Turkey indicates he is selling only 1-2 copies a week. I should also mention that the entire book can be searched on Amazon and it's full of grammatical errors, no doubt the consequence of self-publishing without a copy editor.

Slumping sales evidently prompted another email from my friend the website hijacker. He asked again if we could partner to sell his book on my website. I firmly refused and wished him luck (he didn't know of course, that I was secretly wishing him BAD luck!). I hope he and his book dry up and blow away.

A few days later, the price of the book on Amazon was decreased by 15%. I'm pretty sure most books do this after the initial hype wears off. In this case, the discount happened about three months after the initial press run.

Although this story may be far from over, I feel a sense of quiet victory here by refusing to partner with him. I've maintained my integrity. It also looks like it was a good decision to not pursue expensive legal action to stop him. Market forces may relegate this book to the trash heap without any effort on my part.

athens

5:32 pm on Mar 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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What's the name of the book - so I won't buy it and reward the plagerizer?

Fairla

1:26 am on Mar 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Presumably he is using a publishing service to publish and distribute the book -- if so, contact the publisher pronto with clear evidence that the material is plagiarized, and I bet you'll get results. Very likely the book will be pulled and the guy will not get refunded. See how he likes that!

sportscliche

2:09 am on Mar 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

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The book is self-published. An established publishing house would have certainly balked at the book for many reasons including the existence of my site. I'm not sure how expensive self-publishing is, but in one of our conversations the hijacker told me that he has hired a professional publicist to push the book. The publicist has landed him interviews on ESPN and Fox Sports, about a dozen local radio shows, and blurbs in national magazines. That said, sales at Amazon are still way down...less than 1 book per day on average using the approximate rank to sales conversion chart.

Fairla

4:54 am on Mar 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Well, if he's got interviews on CNN and Fox, contact them and let them know it's plagiarized. Contact the publicist. Contact Amazon too. (He must be using some service to print his books unless he is somehow printing them himself?)

martingale

7:34 am on Mar 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I think you might need to do something about this to protect your rights in the future. I also think you should consider partnering with him, but on YOUR terms, not his. Insist on half his profits globally or something; his offer to give you just the profits from your own sales of your own book is a joke.

If you feel that your emotions are too involved here, so that you can't make clear business decisions, consider asking someone whose judgement you trust, and who would be suited for the task, to negotiate on your behalf. Often times in business situations like this where you have invested so much of yourself it is better to have someone else talk for you.

If there was enough money involved ideally that someone else would be a lawyer; if not enough money is involved still consider doing something to protect your rights.

If you do nothing there is the risk that you are tacitly admitting his book is NOT a copy. In the future, if sales of his 2nd or 3rd version are good, he will point to your inaction as proof that he did not plagiarize your book--you clearly knew about it and did nothing. He will later claim you popped up with your complaint only because he started making money.

So, it's better to settle this now. Have someone you trust send him a REASONABLE offer, and consider his joke of an offer just to be a starting point--and an admission on his part that his position is not as strong as he makes it out to be (or he never would offer you anything.)

sportscliche

6:23 pm on Mar 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

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These are good points and I agree that my action of doing nothing does suggest the book is NOT a copy. Being proactive about this, however, is entirely predicated on the assumption that the book is selling well and making money for the hijacker. If the plummeting Amazon sales rank is any indication, this is simply not the case. I don't believe a 2nd or 3rd printing is in the works and I suspect the guy has not even shown a profit yet.

The national interviews and magazine articles were arranged by an expensive publicist. His glitzy website (which is not a copy of mine but only a sales vehicle for the book) and publication run also involved a financial outlay. I know because he told me himself in the first phonecall when he was threatening ME with a lawsuit for 'orchestrating a negative review campaign' at Amazon. Finally, the book is sloppily written with grammar and spelling mistakes. I honestly don't want to be associated with it or even acknowledge it -- despite the obvious resemblance to the premise and organization of my website.

BigDave

8:02 pm on Mar 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I don't believe a 2nd or 3rd printing is in the works and I suspect the guy has not even shown a profit yet.

You are almost certainly correct.

A couple of friends of mine have written what is considered one of the ultimate safety related books for sea kayaking. It is carried in virtually every shop that caters to this sport, and is required reading for lots of classes.

Even though it was largely a compilation of accident report and analysis articles that they wrote for a magazine, it took them years to reach the point where they figure that they were getting minimum wage for their thousands of hours putting it together.

Unless he can get the books on the shelves of the local bookstores, I can't imagine that he is moving many of them out of his garage.

ScadSense

10:45 pm on Apr 2, 2005 (gmt 0)



Clearly you're all not devious enough... ;)

So, my thoughts:

* File for at least one trademark for your website name.

Then:

* Turn the meat of your content into a free ebook

* Turn your full site a paid ebook, with exclusive content

* Offer the free ebook on your site

* Offer the paid ebook for sale at ... Amazon

I suggest a price of $9.95 - also add to your site that you have the MOST recent book on the subject, LOWEST price, and BEST GUARANTEE... and BEST REVIEWS. Then:

* Have someone buy the ebook and the copycat book

Amazon should then show "People who bought CopyCat book also bought *your* book" (does this work even after the books are returned - could be - so buy 10 copies throught 10 friends, then return them.).

The text of your ebook sales page on Amazon should point out that you can get a free intro-version of the ebook on your website (or stick the text on your cover so people can read the website name on Amazon.com).

Final note: Add a game on your website (many Flash programming sites offer free games you can use on your own site - some may require attribution, some don't). People like games, and stating that the ebook "ties into a fun online game at your-site.com" will liven up the interest of many people.

(I've no idea what your book title is - or the copycat book - so the ideas may not be all as usable as I think they are :) )

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