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Run Knoppix Linux from the cd

         

chris_f

12:33 pm on Jun 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Hi All,

I read a popular UK magazine about PC's. They gave away Knoppix Linux in which the entire operating system ran off the CD. No changes where made to your current operating system and as such you just remove the cd to revert to whatever you had.

I must say. I am impressed. I first tried a version of Linux and log time ago, however, I couldn't get my head around the basics (like connecting to the internet). This seems very Windows in design and I like. I could sortly (after a bit more playing) be converting to linux. However, I would like you advice first. What advice can you give and what problems should I expect?

Chris

Nick_W

12:40 pm on Jun 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>>What advice can you give and what problems should I expect?

Advice -> Do it! (Redhat/Mandrake best for starters)

Problems -> None (or at least very, very few)

Have fun!

Nick

jpjones

12:48 pm on Jun 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I'll second Nick_W's suggestion - try it out! You've not nothing to loose, and everything to gain :)

If you don't want to save any files, Knoppix is actually very good for messing around with Linux. OK, you can't customise anything, as the CD is write only, but for getting your head around Linux, it's a great introduction.

If you run into any problems - there's lots of resources available on the web to help you out.

chris_f

12:48 pm on Jun 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Hi Guys,

Thanks for the fast response. I think I will stick with Knoppix. I am using it now and falling in love with it. I may in the future try the rest.

What about developing on Linux. I am an ASP man so that is out of the question. I like the idea of learning Apache and PHP though. Is there any software I need and any advice you can give.

Chris

p.s. I apologise if this is become more of a foo question.

chris_f

12:51 pm on Jun 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

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One more question :)

What about hardware drivers. Are they easy to find for linux nowadays? Do you download generic Linux ones or are the drivers for each version (i.e. RedHat vs. Knoppix).

Chris

Nick_W

12:52 pm on Jun 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Well, I don't think you'll be able to do much from a CD distro Chris. I'd strongly urge you to get your hands on a 'proper' distro like RH/Mandrake or Debian.

If you like Knoppix on a CD you'll be crying tears of Joy with one of the above ;-)

Redhat is easiest to setup (as you install) with PHP and MySQL though all of them do it and it shouldn't really be tough...

Nick

chris_f

12:59 pm on Jun 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Ok. Your beginning to convince me Nick.

I might find an old machine and give RedHat a go. It's the one I've heard most about. I'm still concerned with software and drivers though.

<off to see if there is a windows emulator for RedHat ;)>

Chris

chris_f

1:01 pm on Jun 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Just thought about Dual Boot <duh!>

Chris

Nick_W

1:02 pm on Jun 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Yep, I run dual boot. Dead easy to set up.

>Drivers

As long as your hardware isn't brand spanking new you'll have little worries..

Nick

chris_f

1:07 pm on Jun 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

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[edited by: chris_f at 1:09 pm (utc) on June 23, 2003]

chris_f

1:08 pm on Jun 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

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It's about a year old. I'll contact PC World for a list of the components. That way I can get the drivers before starting the install. Now I regret getting a laptop, it would have been easier with a PC.

Chris

p.s. I'm not going to be able to cope without my WinMX :(

Duckula

1:36 pm on Jun 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Once you get your knoppix running you should be able to do a

$ cat /proc/pci

and that will give you a good briefing of your hardware.

Of course, if Knoppix can already use your hardware then it means there are drivers for it, as easy as that.

p.s. Lopster!

chris_f

1:46 pm on Jun 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Of course, if Knoppix can already use your hardware then it means there are drivers for it, as easy as that.

Would this be the same if I were not running it off the cd?

p.s. Lopster!

Huh! Have we been at the merry juice?

Chris

<added>Ah - Lopster would been a p2p program would it?</added>

Duckula

1:56 pm on Jun 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Would this be the same if I were not running it off the cd?

In linux the drivers usually depend on kernel versions. If you install, for example, Redhat with a kernel 2.4.20 its support for hardware is always the same that the one of any other distribution using the same kernel.

Lopster would been a p2p program

Yep, to my taste better than WinMX and, I guess, fully compatible since most of the peers are from there. I have not used p2p lately (dialup and lot of work: lack of time) but it was my favorite.

eaden

2:07 pm on Jun 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Nick_W -
Why isn't Knoppix a "Proper distro"?

It does everything the other distro's do and much much more. I would say Knoppix is easier to install than Mandrake, as it detects all your hardware for you.

In fact right now, I just installed KNOPPIX DVD Edition and I'm posting this message from it :)

Although I urge you to get the very latest version of Knoppix. I think I know the version of Knoppix you have on the Mag ( I remastered it if it's called "No Install Linux" ) but check the site in my profile for help with installing Knoppix - it's dead easy!

Nick_W

2:11 pm on Jun 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>>Why isn't Knoppix a "Proper distro"?

I stand corrected, just a bad choice of words is all. Maybe I should have said 'popular distro'....

Nick

eaden

2:27 pm on Jun 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>> I stand corrected, just a bad choice of words is all. Maybe I should have said 'popular distro'....

Lol, so now you're saying it's not popular?

A year ago maybe, but now I think it's probally the 3rd most popular desktop for new installs, maybe 2nd.

Thats out of 130+ distros...

chris_f

4:36 pm on Jun 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Eaden,

I if I try on of the mirrors will I be able to burn that iso and install linux. I am looking to dual boot and not run it off the cd like I am now. Better still, can I convert my current copy to run of the harddisk. I am setting up a partition now.

Chris

chris_f

5:15 pm on Jun 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Do I partition the disk as FAT for Linux? If not, what do I partition it as?

Chris

jpjones

5:17 pm on Jun 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Do I partition the disk as FAT for Linux

Nope - you need to partition it as Ext2 or Ext3 (depending on what your distro allows. If at all possible, go for Ext3 - its more reliable.

chris_f

5:30 pm on Jun 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Thanks.

littleman

7:50 pm on Jun 23, 2003 (gmt 0)



A good buzz meter:
[distrowatch.com...]

A more complete list is on the right hand side of the index page [distrowatch.com]

I have no idea why Yoper is getting so much attention...

brakthepoet

8:42 pm on Jun 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>>I have no idea why Yoper is getting so much attention...<<

Not to hi-jack the thread, but I think Yoper's goal is primarily as a desktop/small biz distro. At least, that's the impression I get from an interview with Yoper's founder.
[desktoplinux.com...]
Perhaps that's the reason for the high number of hits on their download page?