The new *nix forum

[littleman]

I think this is great. I look forward to this forum filling up and some knowledgeable people coming out of lurking to help us along. I believe this forum is very timely, the GNU [gnu.org] and other open source movements are blossoming, there are many solid applications which webmasrer [D [t [C [Cs will find utility in using. In this age of temporary licenses and tightening economy using a free OS and free utilities is a way to save cash. Also, it just plain feels good to be out from under the corporate bell-cure marketing.

[startup]

I have been planning to load "nix" into an old box for a long time. This may be the kick I needed to get started.
Excellent choice for moderator Brett. I just don't know where LM finds the time.:)

[toolman]

Killer :)

[Brett_Tabke]

Oh hey - I forgot to do an introductory post announcing this didn't I?

Well, Here it is! By popular demand, the new *nix forum.

I think we can safely limit the scope of this forum to site administration issues, and _not_ general *nix desktop questions. We are going to try to stay away from the traditional ranting and raving that goes on in many of *nix groups around the net. eg: this is _not_ the place for a open source crusade. We should be ok in that respect.

Thanks to Littleman for voluntering to moderate this forum. That stretches him kinda thin with other duties, so we will be on the lookout for co-mods.

[agerhart]

Congrats Littleman and I loom forward to learning more about this!

[sugarkane]

A great idea. *nix can be baffling so it'll be good to have somewhere to discuss it...

[Air]

Thumbs up LM! should be a fun forum.

[Bolotomus]

Like a lot of the really heady topics in computer science, the problems of implementing an operating system were solved largely in the 60's and 70's. Unix--not Windows--was the culmination of that research.

Today, after countless other OS's have come and gone, Unix lives on, the giant among OS's. Nobody claims it to be perfect, but if there is such a thing as a perfect OS, Unix is as good a starting point as any.

I admit I am a neophyte, or at best an apprentice. But the beauty of a good OS is that a lot of the nitty-gritty can be handled transparently. The power-tools are there if you need them, and the basic tools are there if they will suffice.

Bolot

[backus]

hmmm.....congrats to LM.

[theperlyking]

Bolotomus, your post reminded me of something. Sometimes I wonder what the point of having a GUI in an OS actually is.

Just wondering out loud, am I the only person who has ever wondered this?

[sugarkane]

The great advantage of seperating the GUI and the OS is that when an application crashes (and a GUI is only an app after all), the underlying server processes continue and you can usually fix things over telnet without a reboot / downtime.

It's part of the generally modular philosophy of unix - certain applications may fail but it takes a whole lot to bring everything crashing down...

[theperlyking]

I actually mean a bit more fundamental than that, say I am working in the console I never really yearn for buttons to click. By day I develop software and imho the best software is that which means your hand doesnt have to leave the keyboard to grab the mouse, while new users like GUI's I think once you get used to things using GUI's actually slows you down.

Sorry this is all a bit OT so i'll be quiet now :)

[sugarkane]

> your hand doesnt have to leave the keyboard

Hehe, you're preaching to the converted - as an XEmacs user I fully appreciate that...

But I think there is a place for buttons and such in general OS / server admin. Sometimes it makes things easier, so why not use it if it's there?

So long as I can still get into the nuts and bolts if I need to, then I'm happy.

[theperlyking]

Depends whats quickest for each user I guess.

[mghaught]

Hi All, I just joined the webmaster world today. I'm a java developer that has recently turned my old pc into a linux apache box. So now, I'm trying to get up my chops on linux admin stuff as well as the webmaster admin part.

I was pleased to see the posts about default.ida?NNN... requests as I saw my access logs full of 'em! Thanks guys!

I'm also looking for a good linux admin forum and hope this is the one.

Thx again!

Marty