Debian Sarge released

anyone upgraded yet?

[jamie]

hi,

we run woody and have not yet upgraded - this will be our first debian upgrade.

i am a bit worried about the different postfix versions - so will probably wait until the slow season.

anyone upgraded yet?

[AbsintheSyringe]

You have no idea how eager I was about sarge, but I waited for it almost for 2 years since I dindt want to install woody, I like when things are "stable"

In the meantime I ended up on slackware, and have no intentions to even put my hands on debian. Even though it's great, try listening to yourself.

How long are people are actually waiting for sarge? Almost 3 years (correct me if I'm wrong) and now when it's finally out, you'll want to wait for another 6 months until you make sure it's stable.

What's the point?

[encyclo]

What's the point?

The point is that Debian is a beautiful thing due to the exceptional package management and it offers the best long-term Linux solution. Yes Woody has been out for three years, and it will continue to get security updates for another year - that's where the stability is. The only other options with such long-term support are RHEL and SUSE Pro, both of which cost many thousands of dollars.

I only have a test server running Debian Woody - I haven't taken the plunge yet (I just changed

/etc/apt/sources.list

to list "woody" by name rather than "stable"). One thing about this update is that there are quite a few packages which have been replaced, and many have been through pretty major changes since 2002. In theory an

apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade

will work perfectly, but I don't want to be the first to try!

jamie, are you just running a skeletal base system plus Apache 1.3.26, or something more complicated? For example PHP has evolved vastly since the version that shipped in Woody, so you would need to check compatibility with any PHP-driven apps first...

(My primary workstation is running the Debian-based (K)ubuntu 5.04, but I'm tempted to switch to Debian Sarge due to the former's persistent bugs).

<added>I've just seen this ZDNet article [zdnet.com.au] claims that 30% of upgrade attempts will "suffer serious breakage". Lots of whining on Slashdot [linux.slashdot.org]. I think I'll wait a bit!</added>

[jamie]

hi encyclo,

great feedback thank you.

i actually use php/mysql packages compiled from source. otherwise i use the standard woody apache 1.3.26 and a very basic system. it's a web and mailserver only.

the only package i am worried about breaking is postfix. we have 100 or so virtual mailboxes configured with pop-before-smtp relaying. the config between postfix 1 & 2 is somewhat different and i have no desire/need to tinker with that right now.

i don't envisage many problems, but after reading the articles you posted, i am definitely gonna wait a few months before upgrading. i have a dev box at home which mirrors my live server. i shall upgrade that when the time comes and see how it goes.

cheers

p.s. i too love debian, and to be honest am quite happy with woody (just as i was with RH 7.2) - i think i'll see what happens over the next months before taking the plunge - as you say, woody is supported for another year at least.

good tip about changing sources to woody, rather than stable.