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I don't think the long arm of the FTC reaches to Norway.
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I do agree that they add plenty sites that don't pay (I've been in their database for years and do very well with queries). My point is simply to become a serious competitor to Google (if that's the goal?), the emphasis must be on total indexing and laser targeted results. When they can convince the public that is what they'll get from ATW, then they are on their way to the big time. And I do hope that happens, as we need more top level competition, not less...
I was wondering how Overture was going to deal with this. It seemed pretty obvious that Overture would make their results more like the other results. It had to hurt Overture when all the search engines started labeling them more clearly. I'm sure this was on their minds when they bought ATWAV . It will be really interesting to see the changes coming at AV.
what i really hate about google and atw is that these sites are not able to handle cookies stored in memory only with ie. all the settings crap does not work if you have stored cookies disabled. they try to force you to have a cookie on your harddisk. this is really lame and ugly.
maybe atw has to bring up some more cool features to jump over the google-hype-gap. ;)
URL Investigator is very nice. I like their subdomain presenter as well.
Try nasa.gov for subdomains.
Again Alltheweb is just great for advanced searching!
Well FAST also did some heavy crawling yesterday.
Ok, I give in. Where is the URL investigator?
None of the Google imposed penalty nonsense with ATW, it finds the most relevant pages and dispays them accordingly, now in a Google style format.
Go ATW, show the World what a true search engine should produce for results and get back some of that market from the Google supported Mega sites.
Google's algo has practically nothing to do with relevance, it is all about "power" on the net, which favors the old and powerful sites that haven't been updated in yonks! ATW favors more relevance regardless of age....and as a result its SERP's are much better!
Bad: New fonts suck and they took away my ability to change thier size SIGH!
JeremyL - Try the font size adjustment in your browser, just like before fixed CSS sizes... ;) Yes, those paid results are pretty deceptive, aren't they. It's a good thing my monitor is beginning to fade, so I can see the word "sponsored." I'll bet it's just about invisible on a Mac.
What really hits me about the paid results is how, on a 600x800 screen, they exactly fill the browser window. Kind of insidious, I think. Probably one of the reasons for going to a larger default font.
Fast's big problem is still the uneven playing field. When not everybody's indexed, it's really hard to return good results. Also, I've got to think that PFI engines, even if they do update occasionally, have got to have algos that favor their paying customers to keep them subscribing... not on an individual basis, but at least serving the kind of sites that would pay for a lot of pages... and that this kind of skewing is perhaps what messes up ATW's results all the way around.
Yes... and it's absolutely disgusting.
I guess it's to be expected from an outfit like Overture. As I mentioned when they bought the company, it's in their DNA to have no real interest in search return quality, just to monetize.
As a consequence, tricking their users is unlikely to concern them either, as long as they get the money. It's called deception.
This sort of deceipt goes a long way to describing the nature of a firm. If they'll do that to their users, what of their advertisers?
Think about it next time you are paying for their clicks.
Google's algo has practically nothing to do with relevance, it is all about "power" on the net, which favors the old and powerful sites that haven't been updated in yonks! ATW favors more relevance regardless of age....and as a result its SERP's are much better!
Strongly disagree. I have seen some good results from FAST but recently they've goen the wrong way again. I'm seeing nothing but spammy results. It seems like meta tags (description) matter again, which is IMO not a good option. This is too easy for spammers.
And I really think that Google still produces the best results, and now again a lot ahead of the 2nd SE.
Or maybe i cant tell the difference on my laptop screen? All seem to have the same fonts etc and no "sponsored" tags.
Where do they appear? At the top (under news?), on the bottom?
Thanks
ATW is a great engine, just needs promoting and Google will be dead in the water!
I agree with that statement except that I don`t think Google will be in the water if ATW is heavily promoted by their new owners. ATW is ideed a great engine and deserve to be up there alongside Google. ;)
Search for, say, "hotels." Paid results at the top are Travelocity, Expedia, Orbitz... The tiny ID of "(sponsored)" in light grey appears just to the right of the titles in each of these.
At 600x800, with default font size, these three fill the browser window.
Where do they appear? At the top (under news?), on the bottom?
But, i like the look and the new tools will mean i can play for endless hours in investigating what ever i want too. Great Stuff, Searching should be fun.
Surely Lycos is dead as if you like the results, Alltheweb is now much more user friendly than Lycos!
