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FAST - Pay-For-Inclusion?

Who's using it, and what's the story?

         

Brett_Tabke

12:01 pm on Mar 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Anyone care to share experiences on using Fast's pay-for-inlusion?
How's it working?
What's the benefit over free submit?

makemetop

12:12 pm on Mar 11, 2002 (gmt 0)



>How's it working?

Seems to work fine, though (as I have to use Lycos), setting up an individual Lycos account for each domain is a pain!

>What's the benefit over free submit?

Getting listed in around 12 hours (on average) is pretty cool for me :) Especially as Lycos UK still drives reasonable traffic.

Rumbas

3:25 pm on Mar 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I've signed up some pages lately going through Lycos, and I agree with makemetop that it's a bit of a hazzle to setup more domains etc., but once your account is setup it is pretty straight forward.

I will let you know how it turns out.

heini

9:29 pm on Mar 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Additionally - did anybody go for the big solution including the Fast hosted sitesearch? That's what Lycos.com sells as Lycos InSite Pro [searchservices.lycos.com]?

DrCool

9:40 pm on Mar 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I have been using the Insite Pro service. I don't use the hosted sitesearch feature though. Listings wise it is great. I can usually see pages listed within 24 hours. Traffic wise I haven't been seeing earth shattering results yet. Traffic has picked up from Lycos and I am seeing more visitors from Europe but the numbers aren't huge.

Once they get some of the other features installed (keyword tracking, click throughs, country targeting) I think the service will have more value. Overall I am happy with the service but not jumping up and down for joy yet.

MarkHutch

9:58 pm on Mar 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Signed up for two domains with Lycos yesterday. I just submitted the index page of both to see what would happen. Their spider (T-Rex) crawled 300 pages on each one of the domains. It's very fast. I wouldn't recommend this service if your server is slow. They crawled almost 300 pages on each domain in less than a minute. Also, I noticed that the fast.no spider stopped by and got the index page from each site about 15 minutes later.

P.S. If you don't want images indexed, you might want to exclude them via robots.txt before you submit. They went after everything they could find.

(edited by: MarkHutch at 6:59 pm (utc) on Mar. 26, 2002)

makemetop

10:08 pm on Mar 12, 2002 (gmt 0)



>Additionally - did anybody go for the big solution including the Fast hosted sitesearch?

You know I'm always a glutton for punishment!

Yep - I've done the lot on the MMT site! Site search is pretty bad - way too slow. The Google search box works faster (though I hate to say it). Results are very accurate though - just no-one will wait around!

Spidering is superb - daily news and my newsletter is found and listed daily. I'm impressed.

Distribution through ATW and Lycos is immediate. On average a 12 hour cycle.

With that, I'm impressed :)

I will recommend it.

heini

10:14 pm on Mar 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

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>Distribution through ATW and Lycos is immediate. On average a 12 hour cycle.

That IS impressive.

keywordbuys

1:48 am on Mar 13, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I just used the Lycos service, submitted my index page and Lycos crawled the whole site. That's great service, waiting to see when it gets posted and how it does. I'll post again when I see some changes.

pete

12:59 pm on Mar 13, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Feedback seems pretty positive on the whole.

Two questions:
1) Are all of you generating enough traffic from this sector to warrant including this disbursement as part of your SEO offering?

2) The free submit option - what sort of lag time are you guys getting?

Its taking us up to 2 months+ with lots of client aggravation tempting me to go the pay option.

Cross-linking and directory listings seems to be the only way to get spiders to visit your websites in most of the engines these days!

Napoleon

1:32 pm on Mar 13, 2002 (gmt 0)



Whichever way I re-read it, I still can't get my head around it.

If I submit: www.anything.com

which links to: www.anything.com/first/ and www.anything.com/second/

from the index page, will both the latter have their pages indexed for the $18? Or does it treat the latter two as diferent URLs and demand another fee for each?

Has anyone worked this out?

heini

1:43 pm on Mar 13, 2002 (gmt 0)

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LIMITED TIME Annual Membership: $18.00
INTRODUCTORY RATE Annual Cost per URL: $12.00
[searchservices.lycos.com]

$ 30/year for example.com/index.htm
+ $ 12/year for example.com/first/index.htm
+ $ 12/year for example.com/second/index.htm

Napoleon

1:50 pm on Mar 13, 2002 (gmt 0)



Thanks Heini.... although of course it was not what what I wanted to hear.

I had assumed that the $18 might have covered the 500 pages under the whole URL. This, however, seems like an arbitrary extra cost just because I have organized the site well (into logical sub-folders).

In this case the extra fee is not really cost effective, so I'll spend the money on something else.

Cheers.

heini

2:13 pm on Mar 13, 2002 (gmt 0)

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>$18 might have covered the 500 pages under the whole URL
That would be a nice bargain indeed.

In fact the confusion might stem from the "cost per url", where actually an url is a page.

keywordbuys

7:12 pm on Mar 17, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Well it's been a week and I can say that Insite select is not really worth the money. I was hoping to be more a part of Lycos than Fast.

Here's what happened:

I paid $30.00 at Lycos, and the Lycos Mod_Spider immediately came to my site, indexing something like 50 pages, then along came the FAST crawler and it took my index page.

Wouldn't you know it, the only thing that actually showed up was the index page that FAST crawled not the one Lycos crawled...that's fine because I paid to only have my index page included, but I hadn't realized that it would be included to the FAST index only.

Lycos crawled my whole site: Why? They didn't use anything they crawled.

Somehow I thought that a Lycos submission would get my new site into Lycos, not via FAST search results (by the way I already had nearly 40 pages including the index page in FAST already)

Also since the last FAST update I'd dropped all of my rankings, I had hoped paying for a page may give me back my rankings (since apparantly I'd been penalized)...It didn't.

I'd be interested in seeing if anyone else has had similar results.

webgeneral

3:11 pm on Mar 19, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Its a major pain having to register a new account for each domain, if lycos want this to work they should change it quick.

Tor

9:35 am on Mar 20, 2002 (gmt 0)

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We have recently signed a deal with Lycos in Europe that allows us to submit an unlimited number of domains to their index without having to register a new account for each domain.

heini

10:27 am on Mar 20, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Hi Tor
Thanks for the info - did you deal with Lycos.Europe directly or via Lycos.de, or Lycos.co.uk?

Tor

11:16 am on Mar 20, 2002 (gmt 0)

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We did the deal with Lycos Europe directly Heini.

Ove

9:26 am on Apr 2, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I think pay for one url and get in the db in 48 hour and do experience and see result so quick its wourth it i had good experience with it.

/Ove

Rumbas

11:21 am on Apr 2, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Well, so far it has turned out ok. The pages get indexed regulary and has some decent rankings, but needs some tweaking.
Traffic is not bringing the servers down though, but time will tell.

>benefit
Ensurance that you're in there and the ability to test short term.

Still a major pain to setup several domains though.
So far I'm satisfied but not swept of my feet.

Tor

6:43 am on Apr 10, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Rumbas, it`s not a "major pain" to setup several domains if you sign up a PartnerSite bulk submission program with Lycos as we did some time ago. You can setup an unlimited number of domains in no-time via an xml-interface.

keywordbuys

4:45 am on Apr 13, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Thought a DB listing would actually happen with LYCOS, I didn't see any point in paying for something I already had with FAST. I've cancelled my service.